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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #620 on: May 18, 2022, 12:48:37 PM »
 Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed legislation that makes it illegal to protest outside of private homes in Florida.

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #621 on: May 18, 2022, 01:04:45 PM »
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed legislation that makes it illegal to protest outside of private homes in Florida.


#freespeech

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #622 on: May 18, 2022, 04:18:32 PM »
#freespeech
IANAL, but I think it would pass constitutional muster. Time, manner, and place restrictions on speech are allowed.
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #623 on: May 18, 2022, 04:20:57 PM »
IANAL, but I think it would pass constitutional muster. Time, manner, and place restrictions on speech are allowed.

IANAL either, and my comment wasn't about the legalities, but rather the hypocrisy. I love DeSantis as much as the next guy, but he's clearly going after the hot takes of the day, and as someone who supposedly champions free speech as much as he does, he's being awfully broad on banning speech based on a specific concern in DC right now.

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #624 on: May 18, 2022, 04:42:56 PM »
IANAL either, and my comment wasn't about the legalities, but rather the hypocrisy. I love DeSantis as much as the next guy, but he's clearly going after the hot takes of the day, and as someone who supposedly champions free speech as much as he does, he's being awfully broad on banning speech based on a specific concern in DC right now.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me, I think it's reasonable to allow people to live in peace even if you don't agree with them. You're more than welcome to protest, but allow them to live in peace.
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #625 on: May 18, 2022, 04:46:47 PM »
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me, I think it's reasonable to allow people to live in peace even if you don't agree with them. You're more than welcome to protest, but allow them to live in peace.

I haven't looked at this issue closely enough to form a strong opinion, but the basics don't pass the sniff test for the supposed free speech warrior that he is

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #626 on: May 18, 2022, 04:47:28 PM »
IANAL either, and my comment wasn't about the legalities, but rather the hypocrisy. I love DeSantis as much as the next guy, but he's clearly going after the hot takes of the day, and as someone who supposedly champions free speech as much as he does, he's being awfully broad on banning speech based on a specific concern in DC right now.
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #627 on: May 18, 2022, 04:51:45 PM »
DeSantis made mention of the Supreme Court protests when he signed it into law this week

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #628 on: May 18, 2022, 05:05:16 PM »
DeSantis made mention of the Supreme Court protests when he signed it into law this week
then it must be because of that. Case closed.
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #629 on: May 18, 2022, 08:28:40 PM »
DeSantis made mention of the Supreme Court protests when he signed it into law this week
does not equal
banning speech based on a specific concern in DC right now.

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #630 on: May 18, 2022, 08:58:43 PM »
"Sending unruly mobs to private residences, like we have seen with the angry crowds in front of the homes of Supreme Court justices, is inappropriate,” DeSantis said in an email to news outlets.

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #631 on: May 18, 2022, 09:04:25 PM »
 Fair enough. Though I still think you guys are under playing the politics behind the timing and accompanying rhetoric

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #632 on: May 18, 2022, 09:05:31 PM »
"Sending unruly mobs to private residences, like we have seen with the angry crowds in front of the homes of Supreme Court justices, is inappropriate,” DeSantis said in an email to news outlets.
Does the law just ban “unruly mob” speech in front of private residences, or is it more broad

Seems like he’s pro free speech. When the speech agrees with him.

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #633 on: May 18, 2022, 09:11:26 PM »
Does the law just ban “unruly mob” speech in front of private residences, or is it more broad

Seems like he’s pro free speech. When the speech agrees with him.
It doesn't only target abortion protests, it includes any protest in front of a residence. It's not only targeting speech he disagrees with.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #634 on: May 18, 2022, 09:14:34 PM »
Of course - no way a ban like that would pass constitutional muster.  But that doesn’t mean the law was not intended to discourage left wing protests in specific, given the timing.

Does the ban just ban “unruly mobs” or is it more broad?

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #635 on: May 18, 2022, 09:15:40 PM »
Fair enough. Though I still think you guys are under playing the politics behind the timing and accompanying rhetoric

If it is good policy, I have no problem with playing politics with it.

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #636 on: May 18, 2022, 09:16:44 PM »
given the timing.

You seem to have missed this -

Law was passed months ago. Next...

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #637 on: May 18, 2022, 09:18:07 PM »
You seem to have missed this -
When was it signed into law? And, again, does it only ban unruly mobs?

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #638 on: May 18, 2022, 09:19:49 PM »
When was it signed into law? And, again, does it only ban unruly mobs?
Just signed. So sure the timing is a story if you want but the law isn't.

Fwiu people can protest anywhere until the police tell them to leave a residential neighborhood. So maybe it's up to local law enforcement. Not sure, would have to read it...
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #639 on: May 18, 2022, 09:26:28 PM »
And, again, does it only ban unruly mobs?
GIYF, but I found it for you -
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1571/BillText/er/PDF -

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It is unlawful for a person to picket or protest before or about the dwelling of any person with the intent to harass or disturb that person in his or her dwelling.