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Will the country thrive a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?

No, will cause massive inflation
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No, will cause moderate inflation
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Yes, will cause very moderate inflation
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Yes, will cause inflation but it is worth it to help inequality
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Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« on: August 09, 2021, 03:31:00 PM »
Reuters) -
U.S. Senate Democrats unveiled a broad outline of a $3.5 trillion spending plan that the White House says would fund big investments in clean energy and families while taxing the nation’s highest earners and top companies to pay for it.

The plan includes funding universal preschool for all Americans, providing legal status to immigrants and investments in electric vehicle infrastructure. Here is a rundown of what they have disclosed is in the legislation so far, broken down by the congressional committees charged with writing the eventual legislation:

WHAT IS IN IT

* $726 billion to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, which would be used to provide universal preschool for all 3- and 4-year-olds, two years of tuition-free community college, child care for working families and increase the maximum award for Pell grants, a federal subsidy that helps low-income students pay for college.

* $332 billion to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, aimed at creating and preserving affordable housing in cities, suburbs and rural areas.

* $198 billion to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, to offer direct payments to utilities for hitting clean energy goals, consumer rebates to make homes more energy efficient and financing for domestic manufacturing of clean energy and auto supply chain technologies.

* $135 billion to the Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry.

* $107 billion to the Committee on the Judiciary, to find a way to provide lawful permanent status to qualified immigrants. This is one of many proposals that will have to meet the approval of the Senate parliamentarian, the arbiter of what policies can be passed through reconciliation.

* $83 billion to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Technology to fund investments in technology, transportation and research, as well as helping coastal communities adapt to stronger storms and rising seas.

* $67 billion to the Committee on Environment and Public Works to fund a Clean Energy Technology Accelerator that would fund affordable and other climate-friendly technologies, investments in clean drinking water and imposing fees on emitters of methane to reduce carbon emissions.

* $37 billion to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs to electrifying the federal vehicle fleet and improve cybersecurity infrastructure.

* $25 billion to the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship to help small businesses secure access to credit and investment.

* $20.5 billion to the Committee on Indian Affairs for health, education and housing programs for Native Americans.

* $18 billion to the Committee on Veterans Affairs for upgrades to VA facilities.

* The Senate Finance Committee will be charged with identifying ways to reduce the deficit to help fund paid family and medical leave, expand the Affordable Care Act, expand Medicare to include dental, vision, hearing benefits and lowering the eligibility age, extend the Child Tax Credit and provide relief to taxpayers who can no longer deduct more than $10,000 they spent on state and local taxes, known as SALT, from the income on which they must pay federal taxes.

HOW TO PAY FOR IT:

* Roughly doubling the tax rate paid by high earners on their investment income to 39.6% from 20% and lifting the highest tax rate on ordinary income to 39.6% from 37%.

* Increase the corporate tax rate and set a minimum tax on foreign income as part of a global minimum tax.

* Increased scrutiny of higher-income taxpayers at the Internal Revenue Service.

* Impose a carbon polluter import fee on companies bringing goods into country.

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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2021, 03:33:41 PM »
Sure.
Each year we basically get a 1 billion tax bill due to the last tax cut for the rich and corporations.
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2021, 03:56:00 PM »
Sure.
Each year we basically get a 1 billion tax bill due to the last tax cut for the rich and corporations.

So you like the tax hike fair enough, how about the spending ?

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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2021, 04:00:03 PM »
So you like the tax hike fair enough, how about the spending ?
To be honest I don't like either. No matter who is in office we get the short end of the stick.
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2021, 04:21:33 PM »
To be honest I don't like either. No matter who is in office we get the short end of the stick.
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2021, 04:21:55 PM »
To be honest I don't like either. No matter who is in office we get the short end of the stick.
Each side likes complaining about the other side's spending. He complains about her shoes and she complains about his golf clubs.
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2021, 04:37:19 PM »
Each side likes complaining about the other side's spending. He complains about her shoes and she complains about his golf clubs.
...but with this WH or the last I have issues with both. I foolishly thought the R's would do something about the deficit when they were in control. They did. Added massively to it.  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2021, 04:43:47 PM »
...but with this WH or the last I have issues with both. I foolishly thought the R's would do something about the deficit when they were in control. They did. Added massively to it.  >:( >:( >:(
And every administration before them.
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2021, 04:49:12 PM »
And every administration before them.
You might want to fact check that.  ;)
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2021, 09:11:40 PM »
Ok LM FTFH
I was thinking scumbag Clinton when I wrote that. Seems there are figures both ways.
https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151
President Bill Clinton
Total = $63 billion surplus, a 1% decrease
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2021, 11:27:21 PM »
A $3.5 Trillion bill and they can’t even tell us where half the money is going??!!

(I did some rough math adding up the numbers above and it comes out to almost exactly half the $3.5t figure)
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2021, 11:43:34 PM »
A $3.5 Trillion bill and they can’t even tell us where half the money is going??!!

(I did some rough math adding up the numbers above and it comes out to almost exactly half the $3.5t figure)
They normally don't list pet projects.
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2021, 12:51:35 AM »
They normally don't list pet projects.

$1.75T in pet projects?!?!
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2021, 01:53:03 AM »
My dog eats prime rib. That stuff isn't cheap.
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2021, 12:43:46 PM »
My dog eats prime rib. That stuff isn't cheap.

Even with current “hyperinflation” rates, and even if dogs ate lumber, $1.75T could feed every dog (and human) in this country for a lifetime. Damn racket they (we?) have going in Washington
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2021, 08:51:49 PM »
My dog eats prime rib. That stuff isn't cheap.
Your dog must be a Democrat, eating prime on someone else's cart

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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2021, 08:53:19 PM »
Your dog must be a Democrat, eating prime on someone else's cart

Biden only won because the Democrats had their dogs voting ;D
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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2021, 10:45:34 PM »
Another major vaguery is the term "higher earners". That usually hits more middle class than they pretend it will

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Re: Can the country thrive with a 3.5/4 trillion dollar bill ?
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2021, 12:32:42 PM »
These two bills alone costs 38.5k per house hold :-\