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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2021, 10:52:43 PM »
any data on JJ/Delta?

1 dose JJ was less effective than 2 doses mRNA against Alpha. With so few JJ vaccinations in the US, there might not be enough available data compared to Pfizer/Moderna.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2021, 11:24:10 PM »
Delta variant emerge in India, where they were using Covishield, Covaxin and Russia's Sputnik V, not Pfizer.
Can a higher use of a vaccine (pfizer) wear it's effectiveness against a variant?

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2021, 01:31:57 AM »
Can a higher use of a vaccine (pfizer) wear it's effectiveness against a variant?
Every time a virus enters the cells of our bodies, it replicates itself, and during that replication small errors can occur called mutations, which become part of the new virus.  Many of these mutations aren't noticeable, but sometimes a virus gets several mutations that make it act a little differently from the original virus, and we call that a variant.  Many variants may be no more harmful than the original virus, but scientists are always watching to discover any variants that are better at entering our cells, causing severe symptoms, or being transmitted to another person. So far, the current vaccine is protecting us pretty well from all the variants that have developed.  Scientists are still researching whether a booster shot would help them fight off the newest variants.

This production of variants can only occur within a body, so the more people who get infected, the greater the chance for new variants to appear.  This is one of the reasons we are concerned about the virus spreading throughout the community. Even if the infected people have only mild cases, they can still act as the host where a new harmful variant develops and is transmitted to other people where it may cause more serious disease. 

When the vaccine was first made, some people suggested we should delay the second dose so that more people could quickly get a chance at a first dose.  But some scientists were concerned that in a person with just one dose of vaccine, the virus would be able to mutate more quickly.  Not all scientists thought this was likely, but all agreed that it was a minor problem compared to the need to decrease viral replication in the community as a whole, and so the focus was on fully vaccinating people as quickly as possible.

If vaccines promoted development of variants, like you suggested earlier, we'd expect most variants to form in places where most people were vaccinated, like Israel, UK and US.  But the serious variants we have first appeared in India, South Africa and Brazil where rates of vaccination are much lower.


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Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2021, 08:22:28 AM »
https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3MuYXJ0MTkuY29tL2pvaG4tc29sb21vbi1yZXBvcnRz&ep=14&episode=Z2lkOi8vYXJ0MTktZXBpc29kZS1sb2NhdG9yL1YwLzRwTXNCSE53WWE0YXNSdkJWQ1RxYThRbDJSYUVmRnlOVGNLOG9tX2wtV1U

Listen from 10:00 Dr. Robert Malone
One of the founders of mRNA vaccine
Listened for a couple of minutes - he claims that Delta originated in a region where they were "deploying the [mRNA] vaccines experimentally"???

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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2021, 12:52:47 PM »
Dr. Robert Malone
One of the founders of mRNA vaccine
Fascinating. What is your source that he is one of the "founders" of "mRNA vaccine", other than his own website and LinkedIn?

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd
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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2021, 01:01:40 PM »
Fascinating. What is your source that he is one of the "founders" of "mRNA vaccine", other than his own website and LinkedIn?

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd
Yahoo seems to think so
https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-qualified-mrna-expert-173600060.html

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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2021, 01:07:50 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2021, 07:17:03 PM »
https://twitter.com/erlichya/status/1425588788206637057

I have 2 Pfizer from Israel and considering getting a 3rd Moderna in NYC soon. Wondering what the best way to document it would be, Israel is considering requiring a 3rd shot for the green pass and I think many countries will eventually do so.
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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2021, 07:28:52 PM »
I have 2 Pfizer from Israel and considering getting a 3rd Moderna in NYC soon.
Is it ok to switch companies in middle ?

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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2021, 07:31:59 PM »
Is it ok to switch companies in middle ?
I'll lyk how it goes
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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2021, 07:40:47 PM »
Is it ok to switch companies in middle ?
Fwiu they offer status matching. So should be fine.
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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2021, 07:42:32 PM »
I have 2 Pfizer from Israel and considering getting a 3rd Moderna in NYC soon. Wondering what the best way to document it would be, Israel is considering requiring a 3rd shot for the green pass and I think many countries will eventually do so.
Is it ok to switch companies in middle ?
Canada mixed first and second shots. Seems to be working, though people who mixed can't travel to certain countries (I heard about some in Europe, though there could be others).

If countries ever mandate a 3rd shot to enter this could be a concern.

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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2021, 08:11:44 PM »
Canada mixed first and second shots. Seems to be working, though people who mixed can't travel to certain countries (I heard about some in Europe, though there could be others).

If countries ever mandate a 3rd shot to enter this could be a concern.

Worst case I’ll just take a 4th shot, it’s less dangerous than having dinner
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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2021, 08:55:54 PM »
https://twitter.com/bobwood12/status/1425595052655529988
So if it's a matter of taking a booster shot every 6 months, is it sustainable? We're having a hard enough time getting people to take the first one.

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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2021, 09:45:24 PM »
So if it's a matter of taking a booster shot every 6 months, is it sustainable? We're having a hard enough time getting people to take the first one.
Whats the alternative?
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Re: Moderna Vs Pfizer Protection Against Delta Variant
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2021, 10:06:07 PM »
Whats the alternative?
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