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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #140 on: August 16, 2021, 04:23:28 PM »
@Joe Biden.
Awful speech. I want what he's smoking.
I don't agree. I think he used a lot of good marketing techniques. I expected a disaster, and it was a lot better, IMO, than I expected.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #141 on: August 16, 2021, 04:25:51 PM »
I don't agree. I think he used a lot of good marketing techniques. I expected a disaster, and it was a lot better, IMO, than I expected.
All the marketing in the world can't fix this mess.
He should have owned and apologized for the failed exit, not just owned the pullout that many Americans wanted.
He said that unlike Trump he'd own his mistakes. He didn't do that.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #142 on: August 16, 2021, 04:27:09 PM »
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Bunch of malarkey. Focused on what's not being debated and punted on what's going wrong.
Even CNN is trashing it.
I think he was trying to save face with the (uneducated) American public. Of course CNN will see through it - they understand that the policy is terrible. (Hey, don't quote me on that...)

I was specifically talking about the speechwriters. The ones who have to take his mistakes and divert attention from them. To make it sound like he knows what he's doing. Yes, he should fire his policymakers. But his speechwriters are talented IMO.

He should have owned and apologized for the failed exit, not just owned the pullout that many Americans wanted.
He said that unlike Trump he'd own his mistakes. He didn't do that.
I don't think it would have been politically possible to do that. If you admit it was a mistake, all the blood is on your hands. He would not survive that easily.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #143 on: August 16, 2021, 04:29:16 PM »
I don't think it would have been politically possible to do that. If you admit it was a mistake, all the blood is on your hands. He would not survive that easily.
So this was just BS. OK.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1268663821998206978

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #144 on: August 16, 2021, 04:30:18 PM »
I was specifically talking about the speechwriters. The ones who have to take his mistakes and divert attention from them. To make it sound like he knows what he's doing. Yes, he should fire his policymakers. But his speechwriters are talented IMO.
I didn't like the diversion and finger pointing. It insulted my intelligence. And I think many Americans will feel the same way. This will come back to haunt him.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #145 on: August 16, 2021, 04:31:17 PM »
So this was just BS. OK.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1268663821998206978
With my filter, I can't see what that tweet is referring to. But I think that admitting a mistake is only possible if you don't have the possibility of crazy bloodshed on your hands after.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #146 on: August 16, 2021, 04:31:43 PM »
With my filter, I can't see what that tweet is referring to. But I think that admitting a mistake is only possible if you don't have the possibility of crazy bloodshed on your hands after.
See ETA.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #147 on: August 16, 2021, 04:32:38 PM »
So this was just BS. OK.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1268663821998206978


The joke is on you for believing it to begin with

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #148 on: August 16, 2021, 04:33:22 PM »
So this was just BS. OK.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1268663821998206978


How’s he supposed to remember something he said a year ago ?

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #149 on: August 16, 2021, 04:33:37 PM »
The joke is on you for believing it to begin with
I never believe politicians. But I'll still hold them accountable for their promises.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #150 on: August 16, 2021, 04:33:54 PM »
I didn't like the diversion and finger pointing. It insulted my intelligence. And I think many Americans will feel the same way. This will come back to haunt him.
If you get to vote based on your intelligence, DDF would be the largest voting block. But not only the top .01 percent of brilliant people (DDF) get to vote. I may be wrong, but I think he mollified his fans - who want to believe that he has this under control.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #151 on: August 16, 2021, 04:35:44 PM »
who want to believe that he has this under control.
Anybody who believes he has this under control is beyond lost.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #152 on: August 16, 2021, 04:36:50 PM »
Never seen CNN trash Biden like this.
Calling the speech a straw man argument, pointing fingers, seeming oblivious to the problems, lying about the reason Afghans didn't get out, missing an opportunity to apologize for the current mess, not properly thanking troops for their past 2 decades of sacrifice.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #153 on: August 16, 2021, 04:38:22 PM »
Never seen CNN trash Biden like this.
Calling the speech a straw man argument, pointing fingers, seeming oblivious to the problems, lying about the reason Afghans didn't get out, missing an opportunity to apologize for the current mess, not properly thanking troops for their past 2 decades of sacrifice.
CNN's bashing started long before the speech. All this weekend they were ruthless.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #154 on: August 16, 2021, 04:39:35 PM »
CNN's bashing started long before the speech. All this weekend they were ruthless.
Looks like they want him out.
The question is, who do they want in?

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #155 on: August 16, 2021, 04:40:22 PM »
Looks like they want him out.
The question is, who do they want in?

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #156 on: August 16, 2021, 04:41:09 PM »
CNN's bashing started long before the speech. All this weekend they were ruthless.
Yes, but they have been clamoring for him to speak. And the response was more critical than ever.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #157 on: August 16, 2021, 05:01:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/axelroark/status/1427369531207569413?s=21

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #159 on: August 16, 2021, 05:10:17 PM »
https://twitter.com/axelroark/status/1427369531207569413?s=21

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that they used rocks is commendable
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