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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #380 on: August 18, 2021, 12:03:34 AM »
Bookmark that and remember it for the next election. In today's day and age it is rare (to be mild) to find a politician that is a principled leader with a backbone (maybe Bernie Sanders is). So you really need to pay attention to who the politician is surrounding himself with (and there will be lots of chaff there too).

Even Bibi Netanyahu, who is head and shoulders above most world leaders and politicians has his shortcomings. The strongest, and most focused one that I can think of right now on the world scene is probably Putin (and we know what happens to whoever starts up with him). Maybe also Xi Jinping.
Wow lots of love for the dictators.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #382 on: August 18, 2021, 12:08:50 AM »
Bookmark that and remember it for the next election. In today's day and age it is rare (to be mild) to find a politician that is a principled leader with a backbone (maybe Bernie Sanders is). So you really need to pay attention to who the politician is surrounding himself with (and there will be lots of chaff there too).

Even Bibi Netanyahu, who is head and shoulders above most world leaders and politicians has his shortcomings. The strongest, and most focused one that I can think of right now on the world scene is probably Putin (and we know what happens to whoever starts up with him). Maybe also Xi Jinping.
You are considering those who are out for personal power to be principled?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #383 on: August 18, 2021, 12:09:22 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764
How likely the “deal” with Taliban would’ve been upheld with 0 recourse action possible, is up for discussion.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #384 on: August 18, 2021, 12:19:49 AM »
Speaking of presidents tweeting offensive crap

Can you imagine if Trump would've tweeted this after tens of thousands of dead Afghani soldiers?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #385 on: August 18, 2021, 12:25:09 AM »
Speaking of presidents tweeting offensive crap

Can you imagine if Trump would've tweeted this after tens of thousands of dead Afghani soldiers?
Trump would have already been impeached for this mess of a pullout.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #386 on: August 18, 2021, 12:27:01 AM »
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a president?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a Cop?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a soldier?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a politician?

you get a mix of
people that want to fight for you
people that want you to fight for them
people that want to control you
במקום שאין איש..........


Im just trying to wrap my head why we have such low quality representation

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #387 on: August 18, 2021, 12:27:40 AM »
Wow lots of love for the dictators.

Have you heard Shimon Dzigan's explanation about the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #388 on: August 18, 2021, 12:35:11 AM »
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a president?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a Cop?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a soldier?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a politician?

you get a mix of
people that want to fight for you
people that want you to fight for them
people that want to control you
במקום שאין איש..........


Im just trying to wrap my head why we have such low quality representation
You think soldiers are low quality representation?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #389 on: August 18, 2021, 12:38:09 AM »
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #390 on: August 18, 2021, 12:38:24 AM »
You think soldiers are low quality representation?
some yes and others "people that want to fight for you" + "for your country"

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #391 on: August 18, 2021, 01:24:40 AM »
Freedom has a price. Are we better off not being there at all? Does Al Qaeda make a strong comeback now?

I don't know the answers, this is a situation where I hope our military experts know what to do and give proper guidance to the WH.

Are we better off not being there? To me it depends - if the status quo would remain indefinitely, then IMHO you have to pull out eventually. We can't run every terrorist country, otherwise why not invade half the world in the name of freedom? Every decision has a cost. We lost more soldiers in the war than we did in 9/11. 

What is the right time and correct strategy, again, above my paygrade, though it seemed like Biden did not follow any strategy at all.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #392 on: August 18, 2021, 02:05:30 AM »
Biden's speechwriters deserve a raise. To take such a mess and make it sound so beautiful - it takes special talent.
@Joe Biden.
Awful speech. I want what he's smoking.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-f-grade-independents-afghanistan-speech-lee-carter
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #393 on: August 18, 2021, 02:07:24 AM »
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #394 on: August 18, 2021, 06:24:15 AM »
How many Americans were left behind?


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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #395 on: August 18, 2021, 06:44:39 AM »
How many Americans were left behind?


is that statement true?, "security is better"
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #396 on: August 18, 2021, 06:50:00 AM »
I don't know the answers, this is a situation where I hope our military experts know what to do and give proper guidance to the WH.

Are we better off not being there? To me it depends - if the status quo would remain indefinitely, then IMHO you have to pull out eventually. We can't run every terrorist country, otherwise why not invade half the world in the name of freedom? Every decision has a cost. We lost more soldiers in the war than we did in 9/11. 

What is the right time and correct strategy, again, above my paygrade, though it seemed like Biden did not follow any strategy at all.
The status quo was something we should've had no problem with even if it lasted another 30 years. There hasn't been a single US death in Afghanistan in 18 months.

If the status quo would've held up so long is something I can't answer, but to me that seems like Biden using it as an excuse for taking a relatively stable country and turning it into chaos.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #397 on: August 18, 2021, 06:52:07 AM »
This joke?

The notion that we would see these horrific scenes if Biden doesn't prematurely close Bagram Airfield without evacuating people is preposterous!

Do you really think Biden is the one who made the tactical plan of closing Bagram and using KBL?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #399 on: August 18, 2021, 07:30:14 AM »
Trump deserves credit for the development and Biden for the rollout.
Trump deserves credit for the development and Biden for not botching Trump's plans for the rollout.