Author Topic: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal (Read 157362 times)

Abey · « **Reply #380 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:03:34 AM »

Quote from: ExGingi on August 17, 2021, 11:52:14 PM

Bookmark that and remember it for the next election. In today's day and age it is rare (to be mild) to find a politician that is a principled leader with a backbone (maybe Bernie Sanders is). So you really need to pay attention to who the politician is surrounding himself with (and there will be lots of chaff there too).

Even Bibi Netanyahu, who is head and shoulders above most world leaders and politicians has his shortcomings. The strongest, and most focused one that I can think of right now on the world scene is probably Putin (and we know what happens to whoever starts up with him). Maybe also Xi Jinping.

Wow lots of love for the dictators.

Dan · « **Reply #381 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:07:11 AM »

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764

aygart · « **Reply #382 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:08:50 AM »

Quote from: ExGingi on August 17, 2021, 11:52:14 PM

Bookmark that and remember it for the next election. In today's day and age it is rare (to be mild) to find a politician that is a principled leader with a backbone (maybe Bernie Sanders is). So you really need to pay attention to who the politician is surrounding himself with (and there will be lots of chaff there too).

Even Bibi Netanyahu, who is head and shoulders above most world leaders and politicians has his shortcomings. The strongest, and most focused one that I can think of right now on the world scene is probably Putin (and we know what happens to whoever starts up with him). Maybe also Xi Jinping.

You are considering those who are out for personal power to be principled?

Abey · « **Reply #383 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:09:22 AM »

Quote from: Dan on August 18, 2021, 12:07:11 AM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764

How likely the “deal” with Taliban would’ve been upheld with 0 recourse action possible, is up for discussion.

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #384 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:19:49 AM »

Speaking of presidents tweeting offensive crap
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1427406026047905792

Can you imagine if Trump would've tweeted this after tens of thousands of dead Afghani soldiers?

Dan · « **Reply #385 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:25:09 AM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on August 18, 2021, 12:19:49 AM

Speaking of presidents tweeting offensive crap
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1427406026047905792

Can you imagine if Trump would've tweeted this after tens of thousands of dead Afghani soldiers?

Trump would have already been impeached for this mess of a pullout.

yesitsme · « **Reply #386 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:27:01 AM »

what type of person (personality) is interested in being a president?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a Cop?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a soldier?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a politician?

you get a mix of
people that want to fight for you
people that want you to fight for them
people that want to control you
במקום שאין איש..........

Im just trying to wrap my head why we have such low quality representation

ExGingi · « **Reply #387 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:27:40 AM »

Quote from: Abey on August 18, 2021, 12:03:34 AM

Wow lots of love for the dictators.

Have you heard Shimon Dzigan's explanation about the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy?

CountValentine · « **Reply #388 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:35:11 AM »

Quote from: yesitsme on August 18, 2021, 12:27:01 AM

what type of person (personality) is interested in being a president?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a Cop?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a soldier?
what type of person (personality) is interested in being a politician?

you get a mix of
people that want to fight for you
people that want you to fight for them
people that want to control you
במקום שאין איש..........

Im just trying to wrap my head why we have such low quality representation

You think soldiers are low quality representation?

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #389 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:38:09 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on August 18, 2021, 12:35:11 AM

You think

Stop right there

yesitsme · « **Reply #390 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:38:24 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on August 18, 2021, 12:35:11 AM

You think soldiers are low quality representation?

some yes and others "people that want to fight for you" + "for your country"

(should I remind you about the white rage?)

yuneeq · « **Reply #391 on:** August 18, 2021, 01:24:40 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on August 17, 2021, 09:26:36 AM

Freedom has a price. Are we better off not being there at all? Does Al Qaeda make a strong comeback now?

I don't know the answers, this is a situation where I hope our military experts know what to do and give proper guidance to the WH.

Are we better off not being there? To me it depends - if the status quo would remain indefinitely, then IMHO you have to pull out eventually. We can't run every terrorist country, otherwise why not invade half the world in the name of freedom? Every decision has a cost. We lost more soldiers in the war than we did in 9/11.

What is the right time and correct strategy, again, above my paygrade, though it seemed like Biden did not follow any strategy at all.

Dan · « **Reply #392 on:** August 18, 2021, 02:05:30 AM »

Quote from: YitzyS on August 16, 2021, 04:21:14 PM

Biden's speechwriters deserve a raise. To take such a mess and make it sound so beautiful - it takes special talent.

Quote from: Dan on August 16, 2021, 04:21:41 PM

@Joe Biden.
Awful speech. I want what he's smoking.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-f-grade-independents-afghanistan-speech-lee-carter

yesitsme · « **Reply #393 on:** August 18, 2021, 02:07:24 AM »

https://twitter.com/DYShor/status/1427847604117848065

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #394 on:** August 18, 2021, 06:24:15 AM »

How many Americans were left behind?

yesitsme · « **Reply #395 on:** August 18, 2021, 06:44:39 AM »

Quote from: Kobe Bryant on August 18, 2021, 06:24:15 AM

How many Americans were left behind?

is that statement true?, "security is better"

avromie7 · « **Reply #396 on:** August 18, 2021, 06:50:00 AM »

Quote from: yuneeq on August 18, 2021, 01:24:40 AM

I don't know the answers, this is a situation where I hope our military experts know what to do and give proper guidance to the WH.

Are we better off not being there? To me it depends - if the status quo would remain indefinitely, then IMHO you have to pull out eventually. We can't run every terrorist country, otherwise why not invade half the world in the name of freedom? Every decision has a cost. We lost more soldiers in the war than we did in 9/11.

What is the right time and correct strategy, again, above my paygrade, though it seemed like Biden did not follow any strategy at all.

The status quo was something we should've had no problem with even if it lasted another 30 years. There hasn't been a single US death in Afghanistan in 18 months.

If the status quo would've held up so long is something I can't answer, but to me that seems like Biden using it as an excuse for taking a relatively stable country and turning it into chaos.

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #397 on:** August 18, 2021, 06:52:07 AM »

Quote from: Dan on August 17, 2021, 10:28:03 AM

This joke?

The notion that we would see these horrific scenes if Biden doesn't prematurely close Bagram Airfield without evacuating people is preposterous!

https://twitter.com/georgeminde2/status/1427887940458450945

Do you really think Biden is the one who made the tactical plan of closing Bagram and using KBL?

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #398 on:** August 18, 2021, 07:08:41 AM »

YitzyS · « **Reply #399 on:** August 18, 2021, 07:30:14 AM »

Quote from: aygart on August 17, 2021, 11:11:17 PM

Trump deserves credit for the development and Biden for the rollout.

Trump deserves credit for the development and Biden for not botching Trump's plans for the rollout.