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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #723 on: August 26, 2021, 10:24:20 AM »
At least 3 U.S. troops wounded in suicide bombing outside Abbey Gate at Kabul airport: U.S. officials

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #724 on: August 26, 2021, 10:32:50 AM »
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #725 on: August 26, 2021, 10:38:58 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/2-congressman-who-snuck-to-kabul-airport-now-reluctantly-support-biden-s-aug-31-withdrawal-date/ar-AANLVvU?ocid=msedgntp

Am I reading this correctly that they feel the withdrawal plan was so horrible that we are now backed into a corner and need to rely on relations with the Taliban to get everyone out?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #726 on: August 26, 2021, 10:40:24 AM »
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #727 on: August 26, 2021, 10:41:07 AM »
Am I reading this correctly that they feel the withdrawal plan was so horrible that we are now backed into a corner and need to rely on relations with the Taliban to get everyone out?
Maybe we should just post what they said and not what you think they said?

"Almost every veteran in Congress wants to extend the Aug. 31 deadline, including us, and our opinion on that was changed on the ground, because we started the evacuations so late," Moulton said. "There's no way we can get everyone out, even by Sept. 11. So we need to have a working relationship with the Taliban after our departure. And the only way to achieve that is to leave by Aug. 31."
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #728 on: August 26, 2021, 10:45:19 AM »
Maybe we should just post what they said and not what you think they said?

"Almost every veteran in Congress wants to extend the Aug. 31 deadline, including us, and our opinion on that was changed on the ground, because we started the evacuations so late," Moulton said. "There's no way we can get everyone out, even by Sept. 11. So we need to have a working relationship with the Taliban after our departure. And the only way to achieve that is to leave by Aug. 31."

So the answer to @aygart 's question is "Yes"

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #729 on: August 26, 2021, 10:48:16 AM »
So the answer to @aygart 's question is "Yes"
Only if your reading comprehension is ZERO!
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #733 on: August 26, 2021, 11:02:20 AM »
Only if your reading comprehension is ZERO!
I actually went to the NYT interview itself and this is very clearly their opinion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/us/politics/seth-moulton-peter-meijer-kabul-afghanistan.html

Some cherry-picked quotes:

Walk me through what you saw when you first got to the airport.

Mr. Meijer: There were I think close to 20,000 individuals who were waiting on flights out a day or two before we arrived. When we were there, the Air Force and the other personnel on the ground had so efficiently moved those individuals to intermediate staging locations that there were some people there, but it was by no means an overwhelming number waiting for flights. It was probably in the few hundreds.

Mr. Moulton: This is one of the most complicated operations that the U.S. military has done in decades. It’s so bad because the administration did not follow our advice for months and start the evacuation earlier. But in the space of a few days, the Marines and soldiers in Kabul have turned this from utter chaos into an orderly evacuation — or at least as orderly as you can hope for in this truly crazy environment.


What are some of the takeaways that you want to share with your colleagues in Congress and the broader public?

Mr. Moulton: Almost every veteran in Congress wants to extend the Aug. 31 deadline, including us, and our opinion on that was changed on the ground, because we started the evacuations so late. There’s no way we can get everyone out, even by Sept. 11. So we need to have a working relationship with the Taliban after our departure. And the only way to achieve that is to leave by Aug. 31.

Mr. Meijer: It is utterly bizarre and baffling that we’re in this position. To go from having the Taliban as an adversary we’re seeking to kill, to relying upon them for security, coordinating to make sure things run smoothly. It’s a complicated situation that’s impossible to understand if you’re not on the ground and yet critical to saving the lives of tens of thousands.


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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #734 on: August 26, 2021, 11:03:15 AM »
US pulling off the largest airlift in history!!!
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=61277df68a9b6e52604c9e5b%26Almost%20100%2C000%20people%20now%20evacuated%20from%20Afghanistan%262021-08-26T12%3A00%3A19.865Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:154a3966-673f-48c4-bb86-e50bc72ccf9f&pinned_post_asset_id=61277df68a9b6e52604c9e5b&pinned_post_type=share

This shows how AMAZING our military is.

Some more quotes from the interview:

Did you speak with commanders on the ground about what can be done to help Americans and our Afghan allies who are not in Kabul get to the airport?

Mr. Meijer: The commanders on the ground have assembled an array of options. I don’t want to get into specifics. But the important thing to communicate is the way in which those forces will move heaven and earth to rescue American citizens who are stranded. And there are American citizens who are stranded, despite what the White House press secretary would like to say. They have developed actionable plans for that.

Mr. Moulton: But the other thing to emphasize is that at the end of the day, we don’t have time to get everyone. That’s why our ongoing relationship with the Taliban is so important.

Mr. Meijer: At those gates, that’s where it’s just incredibly chaotic, incredibly heartbreaking — to see individuals with that level of desperation, begging to be rescued.

Something I think people need to know is that there is no scenario that trains a soldier or Marine to take somebody in a wheelchair, and have to push them back out because they don’t meet the paperwork criteria. I think we both are just incredibly concerned.

Mr. Moulton: It’s the most extraordinary thing I’ve ever seen in my life. I’ve never been more proud to be an American than after witnessing the soldiers and Marines. They’re navigating conflicts of humanity.

Mr. Meijer: But they’re going to need help after.

Mr. Moulton: I’ve never talked to more public servants — from salty Marines to the most seasoned State Department officials — who came to tears describing their work.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #736 on: August 26, 2021, 11:08:44 AM »
I actually went to the NYT interview itself...
Paywall
My point still stands about the article I posted.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #737 on: August 26, 2021, 11:17:41 AM »
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My point still stands about the article I posted.

Okay, so lets go to that article

We'll start with what you quoted.
because we started the evacuations so late," Moulton said. "There's no way we can get everyone out, even by Sept. 11. So we need to have a working relationship with the Taliban after our departure.

Hmmmm that sounds like
they feel the withdrawal plan was so horrible that we are now backed into a corner and need to rely on relations with the Taliban to get everyone out

How are you reading this differently? Do you have a different explanation for that?

Another quote from what you posted

Moulton and Meijer "are clearly not happy with how Biden handled this," Politico reports. "But they were chastened enough by the facts on the ground to change their minds about the policy going forward — and they're now off Team 'Extend the Deadline.'
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #738 on: August 26, 2021, 11:23:23 AM »
UK initial assessment:

• 1st explosion was suicide vest at Baron hotel, followed by small arms fire

• 2nd explosion was vehicle bomb at Abbey Gate, where US troops injured

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #739 on: August 26, 2021, 11:23:46 AM »
Bennet Biden meeting delayed for now due to the situation in Afghanistan.