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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1160 on: September 05, 2021, 10:38:59 AM »
You should understand what "but officer" means before throwing it around.

Since we're talking about how this admin screwed up, let's talk about what the other admin screwed up on....

I think that pretty much defines a "but officer" argument.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1161 on: September 05, 2021, 10:40:22 AM »
Says you.

“Addl context on American citizens of what I said: “We are committed to bringing Americans, who want to come home, home. We are in touch with them via phone, via text, via e-mail, via any way that we can possibly reach Americans to get them home if they want to return home…,” she tweeted. “…we are not leaving Americans who want to return home. We are going to bring them home. And I think that’s important for the American public to hear and understand.”

How does that change the fact that they are currently stranded? If we end up getting them home, that would be amazing, but it doesn't change their current status.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1162 on: September 05, 2021, 10:41:29 AM »
Lets see if I can get an answer to this. @Lurker
If you warn your kids 19 times to do something and they don't follow those warnings. Then as a result of not following your 19 warnings who do you blame when they find themselves in a predicament?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1163 on: September 05, 2021, 10:42:58 AM »
How does that change the fact that they are currently stranded? If we end up getting them home, that would be amazing, but it doesn't change their current status.
I never said they are not currently stranded so you are barking up the wrong tree.

I am pointing out what she said and how it can be taken.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1164 on: September 05, 2021, 10:43:41 AM »
@Lurker keeps on expressing how wrong the Biden admin is
@CountValentine keeps on expressing how good the military is
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1165 on: September 05, 2021, 10:48:00 AM »
@Lurker keeps on expressing how wrong the Biden admin is
@CountValentine keeps on expressing how good the military is
The guy at the top gets the blame/credit.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1166 on: September 05, 2021, 10:51:54 AM »
Lets see if I can get an answer to this. @Lurker
If you warn your kids 19 times to do something and they don't follow those warnings. Then as a result of not following your 19 warnings who do you blame when they find themselves in a predicament?
I never said they are not currently stranded so you are barking up the wrong tree.

I am pointing out what she said and how it can be taken.



You're all over the place here. Let me rewind this for you.

  • Psaki said there are no stranded Americans.
  • DDFers are posting clips showing that there are currently Americans stranded.

You responded to those posts by first highlighting the 120k+ people we evacuated, then the 4k+ Americans we evacuated, then by saying maybe she didn't really mean they aren't stranded, and then by trying to assign blame (without knowing any of the circumstances these stranded individuals face) for why they may be stranded.

I'm not getting into the blame game. There's plenty to go around. The fact is, Psaki said something stupid and untrue, and DDFers are jumping on her for it. You want to argue other issues, go right ahead, but my post just pointed out that you didn't respond to the issue they posted about.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1167 on: September 05, 2021, 11:00:33 AM »
You're all over the place here. Let me rewind this for you.

  • Psaki said there are no stranded Americans.
  • DDFers are posting clips showing that there are currently Americans stranded.

You responded to those posts by first highlighting the 120k+ people we evacuated, then the 4k+ Americans we evacuated, then by saying maybe she didn't really mean they aren't stranded, and then by trying to assign blame (without knowing any of the circumstances these stranded individuals face) for why they may be stranded.

I'm not getting into the blame game. There's plenty to go around. The fact is, Psaki said something stupid and untrue, and DDFers are jumping on her for it. You want to argue other issues, go right ahead, but my post just pointed out that you didn't respond to the issue they posted about.
Wow, can I have salt on that pretzel?  :)
It was a simple question and it is obvious why you won't answer.

All we see is post after post about this person or that person being stuck. It would be nice to see the same amount of posts about those that gave their lives and those that did a great job.

Now if you want to say what she said is stupid that is fine. As far as untrue that remains to be seen. It will based on what happens to the Americans there.

What to take another stab at the question?  :)
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1168 on: September 05, 2021, 11:09:07 AM »
Wow, can I have salt on that pretzel?  :)
It was a simple question and it is obvious why you won't answer.

All we see is post after post about this person or that person being stuck. It would be nice to see the same amount of posts about those that gave their lives and those that did a great job.

Now if you want to say what she said is stupid that is fine. As far as untrue that remains to be seen. It will based on what happens to the Americans there.

What to take another stab at the question?  :)

I won't answer it because I'm not part of that discussion, and I'm not interested in getting involved in the blame game.

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All we see is post after post about this person or that person being stuck. It would be nice to see the same amount of posts about those that gave their lives and those that did a great job.

Please tell me how this isn't a "But officer." You would never let anyone get away with that cr@p when Trump was in office.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1169 on: September 05, 2021, 11:34:32 AM »
I won't answer it because I'm not part of that discussion, and I'm not interested in getting involved in the blame game.
You won't answer because there would be no current discussion if they listened to 19 warnings.
Please tell me how this isn't a "But officer."
How is wanting more stories about honoring those that gave theirs lives a "but officer"?
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« Reply #1170 on: September 05, 2021, 11:41:44 AM »
You won't answer because there would be no current discussion if they listened to 19 warnings.

Tell me more about me, please.

How is wanting more stories about honoring those that gave theirs lives a "but officer"?

The same way you got pissed every time someone wanted to distract from a legitimate Trump gripe with good things he did. "I know I was speeding, but officer, look at the food I delivered for the elderly!"
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1171 on: September 05, 2021, 11:47:54 AM »
Lets see if I can get an answer to this. @Lurker
If you warn your kids 19 times to do something and they don't follow those warnings. Then as a result of not following your 19 warnings who do you blame when they find themselves in a predicament?
You seem to be accepting the claim that they were warned 19 times blindly. I am not sure why.

I know that Biden claims they reached out 19 times, but was there actually an arrangement for them to get out at that point? Were they being told they need to get out because the Taliban was going to take over at the same time they were telling my that there was no way they would? What did they actually say when they reached out? Is it even true that they did? Were they still needed there until later and couldn't get to the airport as planned because of Taliban roadblocks?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1172 on: September 05, 2021, 11:54:53 AM »
You seem to be accepting the claim that they were warned 19 times blindly. I am not sure why.

I know that Biden claims they reached out 19 times, but was there actually an arrangement for them to get out at that point? Were they being told they need to get out because the Taliban was going to take over at the same time they were telling my that there was no way they would? What did they actually say when they reached out? Is it even true that they did? Were they still needed there until later and couldn't get to the airport as planned because of Taliban roadblocks?
I am not sure it was 19 times. There was a warning to get out immediately using available commercial fight options
before the country was taken over.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1173 on: September 05, 2021, 11:56:26 AM »
Tell me more about me, please.
Sure. You believe in personal responsibility. As such you would hold your kid responsible for not listening to your 19 warnings. Should I continue?  :)
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1174 on: September 05, 2021, 12:08:10 PM »
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« Reply #1175 on: September 05, 2021, 12:08:16 PM »
Sure. You believe in personal responsibility. As such you would hold your kid responsible for not listening to your 19 warnings. Should I continue?  :)

You think I'd take the Biden Admin's word that there were 19 warnings? You think I'd ignore any circumstances which may have made those warning worthless? And even if everything else checked out and I felt my kids were at fault for their careless behavior, you think I wouldn't consider them stranded and be pissed that the US government doesn't consider them as such?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1176 on: September 05, 2021, 12:11:21 PM »
I am not sure it was 19 times. There was a warning to get out immediately using available commercial fight options
before the country was taken over.
Were there truly available options?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1177 on: September 05, 2021, 12:12:21 PM »
...with good things he did.
ROFLMAO

This. Is. Everything.

Fair and balanced, ladies and gents.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1178 on: September 05, 2021, 12:12:41 PM »
You think I'd take the Biden Admin's word that there were 19 warnings? You think I'd ignore any circumstances which may have made those warning worthless? And even if everything else checked out and I felt my kids were at fault for their careless behavior, you think I wouldn't consider them stranded and be pissed that the US government doesn't consider them as such?
All I ask is if "YOU" gave your kids 19 warnings, not anyone else giving the warnings. I want to understand if you believe in personal responsibility. By your response it seems like I nailed it to a tee.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #1179 on: September 05, 2021, 12:14:25 PM »


This. Is. Everything.

Fair and balanced, ladies and gents.
When someone uses separating kids from their mothers as a good thing then yes I ROFLMAO!!!
No need to bring that scumbag up.
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