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Random Political Questions
« on: August 22, 2021, 12:49:01 AM »
Is the Spring Valley mayor going crazy?
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Re: random Polical questions
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2021, 12:50:08 AM »
Is the Spring Valley mayor going crazy?
Could you fix the title before I go nuts? Why is the P capitalized? Why not the R and the Q also?

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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2021, 01:13:36 AM »
Could you fix the title before I go nuts? Why is the P capitalized? Why not the R and the Q also?
What about the missing t?

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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2021, 01:17:32 AM »
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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2021, 08:01:59 AM »
What about the missing t?
That's politics. You divert people's attention from a problem by allowing them to focus on another problem.

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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2021, 05:55:16 PM »
Why is Liz Cheney allowed to read all those text messages to the public? The way I understand it, all those Fox hosts did the correct thing by texting Meadows, so why does she have a right to read their private messages? They're not being charged with a crime.

As a side point, I would love to hear if @CountValentine thinks those Fox hosts should be lauded for their messages, or are they just a bunch of people trying to steal the democracy.  :P

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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2021, 06:13:03 PM »
Is there a law she is violating? If so she should be prosecuted. 

I love your take on the messages.  :)
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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2021, 06:25:53 PM »
Is there a law she is violating? If so she should be prosecuted. 
I don't know if there is such a law, but I know that courts go our of their way to protect the privacy of those not charged in a crime. Common decency should stop her from revealing their names.

I love your take on the messages.  :)
Am I missing something? These hosts tried to use their influence to press Trump to be more forceful in stopping the rioters. Please correct me if I'm missing something.

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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2021, 06:29:46 PM »
I don't know if there is such a law, but I know that courts go our of their way to protect the privacy of those not charged in a crime. Common decency should stop her from revealing their names.
Ok I am confused. If it shows them in such a glowing light as you pointed out then what is the issue?
Am I missing something? These hosts tried to use their influence to press Trump to be more forceful in stopping the rioters. Please correct me if I'm missing something.
I think you are missing what they said and did publicly at the time.
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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2021, 06:36:41 PM »
Ok I am confused. If it shows them in such a glowing light as you pointed out then what is the issue?
Private texts are private texts, regardless of what are contained inside. I can think of at least three reasons off the top of my head why someone in their position may not want those texts read:
1. They like to maintain the guise of media personnel, not activists
2. The invasion of their privacy lowers their projected persona in public perspective. I can think, maybe subconsciously, "I used to think Laura Ingram was infallible. But she's a human just like the rest of us."
3. Some people - even if they are wrong - may be upset at them for the content of the texts. Even if you think they are just crazy morons, their views equal ratings and ad revenue.

I think you are missing what they said and did publicly at the time.
I was not watching Fox during those days so I'm not sure what they said and did publicly.

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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2021, 06:40:45 PM »
I am not disagreeing, but it all depends on what the law is. I will give her credit for one thing. She did it out in the open and not have it leaked.
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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2021, 06:49:16 PM »
Is there a law she is violating? If so she should be prosecuted. 

I love your take on the messages.  :)
Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2021, 09:37:31 PM »
I just noticed that Mike Huckabee put on a beard!




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« Last Edit: December 15, 2021, 08:16:53 AM by CountValentine »
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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2021, 08:25:23 AM »
This might help: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/geraldo-rivera-condemns-sean-hannity-over-jan-6-text-remember-that-concern-you-had/ar-AARPLMe?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/fox-news-goons-cry-about-being-smeared-with-their-own-words/ar-AARPgMC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Thanks, definitely sheds some light on the whole story.

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The texts appear to be a direct contradiction to how many Fox News hosts later reported on the January 6 riot, including downplaying the seriousness of the attack
This is just plain not honest. During the riots, they have no idea how bad it is and how far it will go, so they obviously should be (and were) concerned. After, when Congress was able to resume the session in a matter of hours - it became clear that it was just a passing threat, and not a "permanent stain on our democracy" as other networks are STILL portraying it as.

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The messages also raise questions of impartiality and ethical standards at Fox News, including the issue of their journalists contacting senior White House officials to pass on messages to the president.

"Texting the chief of staff to urge him to tell the president to call for an end to rioting is a good thing," Tim Graham, director of media analysis at the conservative Media Research Center, told The Associated Press. "But, ideally, journalists shouldn't be texting political advice to the White House."
+1, similar to what I surmised earlier:
1. They like to maintain the guise of media personnel, not activists

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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2021, 08:26:09 AM »
This might help: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/geraldo-rivera-condemns-sean-hannity-over-jan-6-text-remember-that-concern-you-had/ar-AARPLMe?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/fox-news-goons-cry-about-being-smeared-with-their-own-words/ar-AARPgMC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
I haven't seen all of the texts, but meanwhile all of those I have seen were about Trump making a statement condemning the violence and asking them to leave. They say nothing about them feeling he was responsible. That seems entirely consistent with their public views and it seems to me like the text are being used to smear opponents rather than for any new revelations. They look bad and that is all they care about.
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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2021, 08:35:54 AM »
I haven't seen all of the texts, but meanwhile all of those I have seen were about Trump making a statement condemning the violence and asking them to leave. They say nothing about them feeling he was responsible. That seems entirely consistent with their public views and it seems to me like the text are being used to smear opponents rather than for any new revelations. They look bad and that is all they care about.
This is where the two political sides differ. One is the view you just posted, and the other is they knew he was at least partially responsible and needed to end it. These were "his" people he sent to the capital.

Let's change it say it was BLM involved in storming the capital. First, they wouldn't send any text and if they did you think it would be the same wording. Let's get real here.
I won't say use common sense because that gets me in trouble.  :)
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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2021, 08:43:55 AM »
This is where the two political sides differ. One is the view you just posted, and the other is they knew he was at least partially responsible and needed to end it. These were "his" people he sent to the capital.

Let's change it say it was BLM involved in storming the capital. First, they wouldn't send any text and if they did you think it would be the same wording. Let's get real here.
I won't say use common sense because that gets me in trouble.  :)
Of course they wouldn't care. Ask they cared about was the optics. That it itself looks very bad but has no relation to what their opponents are saying.
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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2021, 08:46:19 AM »
Of course they wouldn't care. Ask they cared about was the optics.
So the optics were this was at least partially Trumps fault? That is why he need to stop it?
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Re: Random Political Questions
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2021, 08:47:57 AM »
So the optics were this was at least partially Trumps fault? That is why he need to stop it?
Definitely the fault of the right and Trump needed to distance himself.
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