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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2021, 04:23:38 PM »
A Jeter mechirah will come through for you in October and November, but isn't as worthwhile during April when the chometz one is needed.
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2021, 04:34:51 PM »
A Jeter mechirah will come through for you in October and November, but isn't as worthwhile during April when the chometz one is needed.
Arod mechiraha and a Jeter mechiraha should help you cover all the bases.
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2021, 08:58:54 PM »
Back on topic, did anyone do keren hasvhiis last cycle and still have the shtar? I did it last time and wanted to go back and read the shtar they sent, but I can't seem to find it. I recall the 'minimum' was a lower last time - maybe 4x4 amos instead of the 100sq ft, with a lower contribution/price to match.

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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2021, 10:51:36 AM »
Back on topic, did anyone do keren hasvhiis last cycle and still have the shtar? I did it last time and wanted to go back and read the shtar they sent, but I can't seem to find it. I recall the 'minimum' was a lower last time - maybe 4x4 amos instead of the 100sq ft, with a lower contribution/price to match.

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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2021, 03:56:54 PM »
Can someone explain to me why Jeter mechira by shmita is different by chometz?

I remember hearing in the name of one of the Gedolim from that time, that you have to look what the Torah wants from you: By Chometz the Torah wants you not to have Chometz - so by selling your Chometz it is no longer yours. By Shmitah on the other hand - the Torah wants you to rest - by not working the land that is in your possession.

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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2021, 04:15:42 PM »
I bought through https://shviit.com/, $360 (12 x $30) for 1x1 ama.

No heter mechirah or anything.

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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2021, 09:00:08 AM »
Is there any reason to not put 100 names on the contract when you buy it?

Is there a requirement of shiur per person?
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2021, 12:43:52 PM »
Can someone post a link of where I can donate to support farmers?
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2021, 12:55:59 PM »
Can someone post a link of where I can donate to support farmers?

https://kerenhashviis.org/
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2021, 12:24:22 PM »
Is there any reason to not put 100 names on the contract when you buy it?

Is there a requirement of shiur per person?
Sorry, late reply: the entire point is to support the farmers.
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2021, 12:32:12 PM »
Sorry, late reply: the entire point is to support the farmers.
So the halachic obligation is not true and there is no actual mitzva being done by owning land?
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2021, 12:58:01 PM »
So the halachic obligation is not true and there is no actual mitzva being done by owning land?
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2021, 01:27:01 PM »
So the halachic obligation is not true and there is no actual mitzva being done by owning land?
It's a big discussion whether you accomplish anything by "buying" land
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2021, 06:11:24 AM »
Though IIRC I once saw something from R' Mordechai Eliyahu who said that in a certain way everyone in EY is relying on it, because if the פירות have קדושת שביעית then when selling them (which would be forbidden) the קדושה would extend to the מעות, creating a huge problem.

You mean the fruit distributed through Otzar Beis din???

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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2021, 10:09:18 AM »
You mean the fruit distributed through Otzar Beis din???

No.

Since the Rabbanut allows heter mechira, lots of produce is grown and sold based on it. Once it is sold, the מעות, would acquire קדושת שביעית, and when in circulation it would by extension create a problem for many.

Quoted in page 10 of https://daat.ac.il/daat/vl/benmeir-shmita/benmeir-shmita01.pdf
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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2021, 01:04:32 PM »
No.

Since the Rabbanut allows heter mechira, lots of produce is grown and sold based on it. Once it is sold, the מעות, would acquire קדושת שביעית, and when in circulation it would by extension create a problem for many.

Quoted in page 10 of https://daat.ac.il/daat/vl/benmeir-shmita/benmeir-shmita01.pdf

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Though may be a smaller issue than in the past - due to the prvailiance of electronic payment

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Re: Shmita Partnership
« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2021, 01:16:52 PM »
Ooogh!
Though may be a smaller issue than in the past - due to the prvailiance of electronic payment

Those were my thoughts too. However what would be the din of קנין בשטר which is technically what is happening with electronic payments?

See יג in https://shmita.hamachon.co.il/laws/%D7%A1%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94/
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