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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2021, 10:32:42 PM »
That's because I couldn't redeem UA saver miles.

Plan E doesnt work for this?

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2021, 11:17:08 PM »
Plan E doesnt work for this?

Plan W was blocking

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2021, 11:37:12 PM »
Plan E doesnt work for this?
By far my best plan yet. I just wish I knew how to replicate for 0 miles in J:
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3986.msg2497196#msg2497196
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2021, 11:39:05 PM »
By far my best plan yet. I just wish I knew how to replicate for 0 miles in J:
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3986.msg2497196#msg2497196

Did you just call Uman a jungle?! :P

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2021, 04:34:01 PM »
I'm sure if UA got $1900 for a RT Y ticket, they could also provide a decent KSML
I'm sure UA's profit margin is much bigger. So price isn't everything ...

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2021, 08:46:21 PM »
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Polochintas where good or soggy?
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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2021, 12:26:38 PM »


Polochintas where good or soggy?

As it tastes out of a fridge/freezer

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2021, 12:53:01 AM »
I am wondering why did you charter this flight with LO?

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2021, 07:41:41 AM »
Yesher koiach for sharing and taking the time for the trip report.
I enjoyed very much the surreal photos of an all yidden flight with slightly perplexed flight attendants  ;D Now just imagine thousands of planes just like that heading to Israel when Mosiach comes.

For those out there that don't know the cost and trouble of arranging a charter:
1) Getting a plane, especially a big one, is very difficult. There aren't a whole bunch of these just sitting around the world waiting for people to book them. If you own a plane, you fly it all the time or you lose A LOT of money.
2) Getting all the permits and permissions is also very difficult and I really don't envy the work involved.
3) The profit margins on a flight like this are a LOT smaller than people imagine. The costs of a one-time charter flight are huge!
Just think about one point: LOT doesn't have planed idling around the U.S doing nothing. They have to fly the plane and crew in from Europe empty just to get the plane there, they then have to operate the flight round trip, they then have to fly back to Europe empty so really they are flying 4 flights, not 2.
Multiply the cost of labor and fuel by 4 and you start to understand what it costs to fly a charter.

I'm glad you guys pulled it off and hope you made a nice parnassah and had a good time to boot!

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2021, 07:52:30 AM »
I am wondering why did you charter this flight with LO?
And not with?

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2021, 08:08:13 AM »
Yesher koiach for sharing and taking the time for the trip report.
I enjoyed very much the surreal photos of an all yidden flight with slightly perplexed flight attendants  ;D Now just imagine thousands of planes just like that heading to Israel when Mosiach comes.

For those out there that don't know the cost and trouble of arranging a charter:
1) Getting a plane, especially a big one, is very difficult. There aren't a whole bunch of these just sitting around the world waiting for people to book them. If you own a plane, you fly it all the time or you lose A LOT of money.
2) Getting all the permits and permissions is also very difficult and I really don't envy the work involved.
3) The profit margins on a flight like this are a LOT smaller than people imagine. The costs of a one-time charter flight are huge!
Just think about one point: LOT doesn't have planed idling around the U.S doing nothing. They have to fly the plane and crew in from Europe empty just to get the plane there, they then have to operate the flight round trip, they then have to fly back to Europe empty so really they are flying 4 flights, not 2.
Multiply the cost of labor and fuel by 4 and you start to understand what it costs to fly a charter.

I'm glad you guys pulled it off and hope you made a nice parnassah and had a good time to boot!

thanks for your comments

1) The only reason this sort of works now, is "covid"
2) this is to Ukraine, pure corruption & ......
3) 3/6 flights: WAW>EWR as a ferry, EWR>KBP as the charter, KBP>WAW as a ferry. The aircraft doesn't sit at the destination till the return flight

Was definitely fun!

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2021, 11:39:57 AM »
And not with?

No one specific: AF, KL, LH, LX, OS, SN, TK, SK.
Just asking why LO
We understand why not PS.

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2021, 11:46:53 AM »
No one specific: AF, KL, LH, LX, OS, SN, TK, SK.
Just asking why LO
We understand why not PS.

Mainly airlines don't do charters at all, while LOT always did some limited charters.

When an airline places a aircraft order, they have in mind that these aircrafts will be used to it's fullest extend, charters is not something one is interested. אלא מיה? "Covid" - routes are cancelled, planes are sitting idle, so some are now more willing to earn an extra buck = some, not all. The big airlines like you mentioned, they all received huge bailouts, so for there side the planes can indeed sit idle.....

we did consider many of those airlines, as well as many "charter" airlines, but taking into consideration what price & terms they offered, there willingness to work along, airport experience, etc etc. - we choose LOT

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2021, 03:01:25 PM »
Mainly airlines don't do charters at all, while LOT always did some limited charters.

When an airline places a aircraft order, they have in mind that these aircrafts will be used to it's fullest extend, charters is not something one is interested. אלא מיה? "Covid" - routes are cancelled, planes are sitting idle, so some are now more willing to earn an extra buck = some, not all. The big airlines like you mentioned, they all received huge bailouts, so for there side the planes can indeed sit idle.....

we did consider many of those airlines, as well as many "charter" airlines, but taking into consideration what price & terms they offered, there willingness to work along, airport experience, etc etc. - we choose LOT
Do you think LOT would be interested in doing this in the future?
What was their overall feedback from the executive offices?
Did the Polish government not give LO COVID cash?

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2021, 03:09:48 PM »
Do you think LOT would be interested in doing this in the future?
What was their overall feedback from the executive offices?
Did the Polish government not give LO COVID cash?

How is this relevant? If their capacity is down DTC, chartering is an opportunity for them to monetize available aircraft and staff beyond whatever they have scheduled.

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2021, 03:10:42 PM »
How is this relevant? If their capacity is down DTC, chartering is an opportunity to monetize available aircraft and staff beyond whatever they have scheduled.

cuz the American carriers for example were very happy with PSP and didn't care to earn extra money with charters

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2021, 03:13:50 PM »
cuz the American carriers for example were very happy with PSP and didn't care to earn extra money with charters

But like you said:

Mainly airlines don't do charters at all, while LOT always did some limited charters.

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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2021, 09:33:35 PM »
Another charter this week



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Re: Uman 2021 Charter Flights - operated by LOT Polish
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2021, 10:13:17 PM »
The shul looks real Satmar: Gorgeous.
The question is, who is going to schlepp out there with nothing in the area.