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Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« on: September 16, 2021, 11:32:55 PM »
With a disclaimer about the title (if you don't know why, just ask @TimT to look up the reference).

Is getting maftir (or at least trying to get it) throughout the 11 months only a minhag Chabad, or is it customary in other circles too?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2021, 11:38:53 PM »
With a disclaimer about the title (if you don't know why, just ask @TimT to look up the reference).

Is getting maftir (or at least trying to get it) throughout the 11 months only a minhag Chabad, or is it customary in other circles too?
In yeshivish/litvishe circles, this is the order of aliyah chashivus:

Shlishi
Maftir
[Shishi (if you have an atara or wear a gartel)]
Everything else

So to answer your question - yes maftir is a level above regular aliyas; though maftir yonah is a whole other magnitude.

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2021, 11:40:02 PM »
I think he meant specifically for yesomim

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2021, 11:40:55 PM »
I think he meant specifically for yesomim
Why specify 11 months?

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2021, 11:47:49 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2021, 11:50:34 PM »
Or some other I left out?

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2021, 12:01:56 AM »
Why specify 11 months?

11 months of Davening by the omud/saying kaddish.
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2021, 12:04:02 AM »
11 months of Davening by the omud/saying kaddish.
D'oh totally misunderstood. Thought you meant besides for Yom Kippur. Sheesh that's boneheaded.

Never heard of this. But that could because I'm not well versed in hilchos and minhagei aveilus bh

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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2021, 12:04:56 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2021, 12:05:58 AM »
that could because I'm not well versed in hilchos and minhagei aveilus bh

May it remain that way forever!
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2021, 12:07:02 AM »
With a disclaimer about the title (if you don't know why, just ask @TimT to look up the reference).

Is getting maftir (or at least trying to get it) throughout the 11 months only a minhag Chabad, or is it customary in other circles too?
Minhag Chabad? Lol, it's universal. Its brought down in רמ׳׳א יו׳׳ד סימן שע׳׳ו ס׳׳ד -
ע"כ נהגו לומר על אב ואם קדיש בתרא י"ב חדש וכן נהגו להפטיר בנביא ולהתפלל ערבית במוצאי שבתות שהוא הזמן שחוזרין הנשמות לגיהנם וכשהבן מתפלל ומקדש ברבים פודה אביו ואמו מן הגיהנם

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2021, 12:09:03 AM »
Maybe the title should be "I need to get out more"

I remember when I learned that not everyone is up the night of the vachnacht, I always thought it's universal

And later found that not everyone celebrates a vachnacht (welcome to Lakewood)
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2021, 12:09:32 AM »
Minhag Chabad? Lol, it's universal. Its brought down in רמ׳׳א יו׳׳ד סימן שע׳׳ו ס׳׳ד -
ע"כ נהגו לומר על אב ואם קדיש בתרא י"ב חדש וכן נהגו להפטיר בנביא ולהתפלל ערבית במוצאי שבתות שהוא הזמן שחוזרין הנשמות לגיהנם וכשהבן מתפלל ומקדש ברבים פודה אביו ואמו מן הגיהנם
Of course not always so practical if you daven in a regular minyan where they give out maftir.
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2021, 12:12:02 AM »
Of course not always so practical if you daven in a regular minyan where they give out maftir.
That's where small shteibels come in handy.. (Not during the past year rch''l)

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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2021, 12:14:35 AM »
Minhag Chabad? Lol, it's universal. Its brought down in רמ׳׳א יו׳׳ד סימן שע׳׳ו ס׳׳ד -
ע"כ נהגו לומר על אב ואם קדיש בתרא י"ב חדש וכן נהגו להפטיר בנביא ולהתפלל ערבית במוצאי שבתות שהוא הזמן שחוזרין הנשמות לגיהנם וכשהבן מתפלל ומקדש ברבים פודה אביו ואמו מן הגיהנם

1. I asked because I mentioned it to someone and he said he only heard of getting maftir on Shabbos before the Yahrzeit.

2. קדיש י"ב חדש? Is that something that's done, or does everyone stop at 11 months?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2021, 12:17:56 AM »
Of course not always so practical if you daven in a regular minyan where they give out maftir.

So no splitting of the minyan into two separate קריאת התורה, or a separate minyan for קריאת התורה before Davening, when more than one person needs maftir?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2021, 12:20:47 AM »
So no splitting of the minyan into two separate קריאת התורה, or a separate minyan for קריאת התורה before Davening, when more than one person needs maftir?
Never seen that. Only splitting the minyan for Musaf the sahbbos before a yartzeit.
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2021, 12:26:04 AM »

2. קדיש י"ב חדש? Is that something that's done, or does everyone stop at 11 months?
I've also seen stopping at 11 months, but I don't know the מקור. It is because you shouldn't show publicly that you consider your parent a רשע-
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2021, 12:40:55 AM »
So no splitting of the minyan into two separate קריאת התורה, or a separate minyan for קריאת התורה before Davening, when more than one person needs maftir?

I think many communities won’t do it for Kaddish either. I know I was surprised when I heard it.

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2021, 01:08:41 AM »
With a disclaimer about the title (if you don't know why, just ask @TimT to look up the reference).

Is getting maftir (or at least trying to get it) throughout the 11 months only a minhag Chabad, or is it customary in other circles too?
in most chsidish places they will usually give Maftir to an uvel. But there are some that are makpid not to give it for the first 11 months, like skver etc.