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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2021, 02:30:09 AM »
non-Lubavitcher = Viznitz, Skver, yeshivish, belz, sefardish, bobov, Satmar, mizruchi, klaisenberg, gur, biala, boyan, rachmistrivka, machnivka, sadigur, vien, nitra, breslov, leluv, munkacs, or some other I left out?

Probably most chasidius - I know that in our shul (clal chassidi), it is  very much a "thing"

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2021, 03:19:26 AM »
whats a "non-lubavitcher"?

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2021, 09:27:43 AM »
Probably most chasidius - I know that in our shul (clal chassidi), it is  very much a "thing"
So when someone reds a shidduch to your einikel and you’re told he’s a non Lubavitcher, does that mean he’s klal chasidi or a 20th of each on my list + NK?

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2021, 10:23:21 AM »
So when someone reds a shidduch to your einikel and you’re told he’s a non Lubavitcher, does that mean he’s klal chasidi or a 20th of each on my list + NK?

The real shidduch question is if a Lubavitcher is mekadesh an isha אל מנת שאני חסיד. We all know that he isn't really one, but according to him, he is. Is the kiddushin tofes or not?
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2021, 10:23:51 AM »
(This is a safe space where we can poke fun at Lubavitchers, right? Right?)
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2021, 10:26:34 AM »
whats a "non-lubavitcher"?

That's an excellent question, which is why I put the disclaimer in the OP. But for the purpose of this thread I use the term בשם המושאל for anyone who doesn't have the urge to follow מנהגי חב"ד as printed in ספר המנהגים - חב"ד, in various places in היום יום, or passed down as oral tradition.
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2021, 10:27:12 AM »
(This is a safe space where we can poke fun at Lubavitchers, right? Right?)

Since Lubavitchers are Jews. Any place is safe for that.
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2021, 10:31:41 AM »
Since Lubavitchers are Jews. Any place is safe for that.

Ok new question: what if a Lubavitcher is mekadesh an isha אל מנת שאני יהודי





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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2021, 10:38:54 AM »
With a disclaimer about the title (if you don't know why, just ask @TimT to look up the reference).

Is getting maftir (or at least trying to get it) throughout the 11 months only a minhag Chabad, or is it customary in other circles too?

Totally not a thing in the Lakewood/yeshivish circles that a travel. Only time maftir comes into play is the shabbos before the yahrtzeit.

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2021, 11:18:58 AM »
Totally not a thing in the Lakewood/yeshivish circles that a travel. Only time maftir comes into play is the shabbos before the yahrtzeit.

Thank you for the first straight answer, despite what @EliJelly wrote
Minhag Chabad? Lol, it's universal. Its brought down in רמ׳׳א יו׳׳ד סימן שע׳׳ו ס׳׳ד -
ע"כ נהגו לומר על אב ואם קדיש בתרא י"ב חדש וכן נהגו להפטיר בנביא ולהתפלל ערבית במוצאי שבתות שהוא הזמן שחוזרין הנשמות לגיהנם וכשהבן מתפלל ומקדש ברבים פודה אביו ואמו מן הגיהנם


Anybody else care to comment about other circles?

ETA: Even in Chabad it's not universal. It is not mentioned in Sefer Haminhagim, and different people will go different lengths about it.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2021, 12:35:18 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2021, 12:27:26 PM »
The real shidduch question is if a Lubavitcher is mekadesh an isha אל מנת שאני חסיד. We all know that he isn't really one, but according to him, he is. Is the kiddushin tofes or not?
nah...the real question is if a lubavitcher can intermarry with a non-lubavitcher ;) I guess once we get to the bottom of what non-chabd consists of we can tackle this

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2021, 01:02:35 PM »
Thank you for the first straight answer, despite what @EliJelly wrote

Anybody else care to comment about other circles?

ETA: Even in Chabad it's not universal. It is not mentioned in Sefer Haminhagim, and different people will go different lengths about it.
This. As I said it's a Minhag mentioned in Rema from the Rishonim already, but it isn't possible to accommodate every Uvel anyway so it all depends on how much the individual is pursuing. I wonder if it is indeed totally not a thing in yeshivish circles even when one can get maftir easily. @aygart ?

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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2021, 02:01:36 PM »
This. As I said it's a Minhag mentioned in Rema from the Rishonim already, but it isn't possible to accommodate every Uvel anyway so it all depends on how much the individual is pursuing. I wonder if it is indeed totally not a thing in yeshivish circles even when one can get maftir easily. @aygart ?
I have never seen it done l'maaseh. Except for yahrzeits, they just follow a regular aliyah rotation.
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2021, 02:18:10 PM »
This. As I said it's a Minhag mentioned in Rema from the Rishonim already, but it isn't possible to accommodate every Uvel anyway so it all depends on how much the individual is pursuing. I wonder if it is indeed totally not a thing in yeshivish circles even when one can get maftir easily. @aygart ?

There's an old Russian saying (mentioned in Chassidic tales) that says: можешь но не хочешь! Which is probably the Russian version of "if there's a will there's a way", but I think the Russian is a lot more powerful (it's a lot blunter, stating: "can, but don't want").

Since in Lubavitch aliyos are NEVER added, it is a common practice to make separate minyanim for Krias Hatorah only. Hence on Shabbos before Yud Shevat you will see tens (or hundreds, depending on the crowd size) of minyanim for Krias Hatorah through the day. Since that is already a custom, it's not such a big deal when there are several aveilim to split up for krias hatorah, or make an extra minyan before or after davening.
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2021, 02:38:39 PM »


With a disclaimer about the title (if you don't know why, just ask @TimT to look up the reference).

Is getting maftir (or at least trying to get it) throughout the 11 months only a minhag Chabad, or is it customary in other circles too?
It's not commonly known, but there are those that do it. I only found out when my BIL (from Lakewood) started his 11 months.
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2021, 03:30:02 PM »
There's an old Russian saying (mentioned in Chassidic tales) that says: можешь но не хочешь! Which is probably the Russian version of "if there's a will there's a way", but I think the Russian is a lot more powerful (it's a lot blunter, stating: "can, but don't want").

Since in Lubavitch aliyos are NEVER added, it is a common practice to make separate minyanim for Krias Hatorah only. Hence on Shabbos before Yud Shevat you will see tens (or hundreds, depending on the crowd size) of minyanim for Krias Hatorah through the day. Since that is already a custom, it's not such a big deal when there are several aveilim to split up for krias hatorah, or make an extra minyan before or after davening.
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2021, 04:03:36 PM »
Splitting for an aveil has its own set of questions

Such as?
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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2021, 04:25:10 PM »
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2021, 02:15:24 PM »
The real shidduch question is if a Lubavitcher is mekadesh an isha אל מנת שאני חסיד. We all know that he isn't really one, but according to him, he is. Is the kiddushin tofes or not?
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Re: Ask a non-Lubavitcher anything.
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2021, 08:59:50 PM »
The real shidduch question is if a Lubavitcher is mekadesh an isha אל מנת שאני חסיד. We all know that he isn't really one, but according to him, he is. Is the kiddushin tofes or not?
Reminds me of an opposite story with r' pinye korf a"h (a chossid in every aspect of the word) when he was asked by a judge of he's a chossid. His humble response was "I try"...
If someone says on himself that he's a chossid it would make others really doubt it.