Bought on sale and got back more

[bubbles]

Duh, But when you refund the buyer you get back the fees

not when you are getting cash back instead of putting it back on the card

[Name Changed]

not when you are getting cash back instead of putting it back on the card

Duh... Didnt realize he meant cash as CASH 

[Jkhein]

Duh, But when you refund the buyer you get back the fees

not sure about that.

[Name Changed]

not sure about that.

I'm sure

[HelpMe]

not when you are getting cash a check back instead of putting it back on the card

I fixed it for you. Just want to keep the record straight.   

[bubbles]

I fixed it for you. Just want to keep the record straight.   

hold on. This changes everything!! 

[Ergel]

[quote author=bubbles link=topic=12672.msg164977#msg164977
Not everyone uses your book though. Unless you are coming from a legitimate source I don't think you can call anyone out about it
[/quote]
Your right. There is only one book that matters.
And the fact that he got banned for doing it I think is a pretty good indication

[HelpMe]

Your right. There is only one book that matters.

How about we let the author of whatever book we follow decide what is ethical or not. Otherwise every thread will have this discussion even one as simple as buying a stroller, using it and then returning it! 

[Ergel]

Fair enough. Just took exception to the fact that you implied that everyone on thisforum us unethical and I consider myself a very ethical person. (and I think we can all see the difference with the stroller)

[bubbles]

Fair enough. Just took exception to the fact that you implied that everyone on thisforum us unethical and I consider myself a very ethical person. (and I think we can all see the difference with the stroller)

I think you are reading into things that are not there. All that was said is that a deals forum is not the place for ethical discussions. That it no way means that everyone here is unethical. Rather that this is the place to post deals and if you find them unethical don't participate in said deal. If you desire there are plenty of venues to discuss ethical questions. For example how about here

[Ergel]

Ethical behavior and any deals forum have very little in common.

I just believe this statement to be false

[bubbles]

I just believe this statement to be false

And you are entitled to your opinion (I'm not saying I disagree). Just in the future try not to make it personal.

Don't  make such broad statements. Just because you are stealing from Costco doesn't mean everyone is

[HelpMe]

Fair enough. Just took exception to the fact that you implied that everyone on thisforum us unethical and I consider myself a very ethical person.

If anyone thought I was calling them unethical then I apologize, that was not my intention of the post. Depending on where your needle falls on the ethical scale someone could make an ethics argument for almost every deal thread, that was the point I was trying to make. I try my best not to judge others and will definitely speak up when I feel the legal line has been crossed.

[HelpMe]

I think you are reading into things that are not there. All that was said is that a deals forum is not the place for ethical discussions. That it no way means that everyone here is unethical. Rather that this is the place to post deals and if you find them unethical don't participate in said deal. If you desire there are plenty of venues to discuss ethical questions. For example how about here

Can you write my posts for me?  Well said!!!

[Ergel]

Fair enough

[AJK]

Not everyone uses your book though. Unless you are coming from a legitimate source I don't think you can call anyone out about it

Uhm, care to tell me which book, be it the Old Testament, New Testament, US Code, or Dr. Suess (whichever you follow), would not characterize this as unethical and/or stealing?

Anyway you slice it, you're burning the merchant by causing it to incur processing fees with no legitimate sale(s) to counteract those (illegitimate) transactions.

I just believe this statement to be false

+1

I think you are reading into things that are not there. All that was said is that a deals forum is not the place for ethical discussions.

Says who?

[bubbles]

Uhm, care to tell me which book, be it the Old Testament, New Testament, US Code, or Dr. Suess (whichever you follow), would not characterize this as unethical and/or stealing?

So in which of these books does it say out right that to do such a thing is stealing? Or is it your interpretation of it? I did say though

Unless you are coming from a legitimate source I don't think you can call anyone out about it

+1

Says who?

you are arguing that helpme never said that? or are you claiming that he is not entitled to his opinion?

[AJK]

So in which of these books does it say out right that to do such a thing is stealing? Or is it your interpretation of it?

Are you being intentionally obstinate to make a point (not even sure what that point would be), or do you actually think this would not constitute stealing by just about every reputable LOR this side of the Mason-Dixon line?

Or, if you don't roll like that, do you actually think that this would be legal according state or federal law? Hint: Start here.

[bubbles]

Are you being intentionally obstinate to make a point (not even sure what that point would be), or do you actually think this would not constitute stealing by just about every reputable LOR this side of the Mason-Dixon line?

Or, if you don't roll like that, do you actually think that this would be legal according state or federal law? Hint: Start here.

Would buying something with the intention to use for the thirty days until the return period is over and then return constitute stealing? It doesn't according to many LOR's. I am not saying that I know it's completely okay but what I am saying is that just because you have feelings one way or the other doesn't mean you should call someone out on it. And definitely not to get personal. 

Thank you for the link to fraud but does this really constitute fraud when technically you are staying within the guidelines of their policies?

[AJK]

Would buying something with the intention to use for the thirty days until the return period is over and then return constitute stealing? It doesn't according to many LOR's.

Does jaywalking constitute chillul Hashem? Not the topic under discussion.

I am not saying that I know it's completely okay but what I am saying is that just because you have feelings one way or the other doesn't mean you should call someone out on it. And definitely not to get personal. 

This is not about personal feelings. This is about facts. And your statement "...unless you are coming from a legitimate source I don't think you can call anyone out about it" is so patently (and seemingly purposely) naive it boggles the mind.

I know a few prosecutors who would be licking their chops after getting their hands on someone who perpetrated this scheme on an unsuspecting merchant to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars.

Thank you for the link to fraud but does this really constitute fraud when technically you are staying within the guidelines of their policies?

Try this one on for size. There are many state laws like it.