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Re: CHASIDISHE MAASEH told by Rav Shach zt"l
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2021, 07:38:08 PM »
fyi Rav shach was Rosh yeshiva in stolin
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Re: CHASIDISHE MAASEH told by Rav Shach zt"l
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2021, 07:43:14 PM »
Rabbi Y Reisman Shlita....Parshas Netzavim Vayeilech 5777

There is a story which illustrates the point that I am trying to make. There was a Chassidishe Yid who found himself in Vienna, Austria for the Yomim Noraim. He came from a Stoliner type background where they raise the voice by Davening. In Austria in these proper Shuls, they Daven with great decorum. He went over to the Rav before the Davening and he told him you know that my Minhag is to raise my voice and I hope that you don't mind and I am going to Daven out loud. The Rav told him no. The Minhag Hamakom is that we Daven B'koved Rosh, we Daven in a somber way. Follow our Minhag. This Stoliner Chassid stuck in Vienna Nebach by Davening he is biting his tongue and he is holding himself in to Daven quietly.

Finally it came to one of the Piutim which was especially meaningful to him and he couldn't hold himself in. He raised his voice and in a loud voice Davened to the Ribbono Shel Olam. After the Davening was over, he went to the Rav to ask Mechilla. He said I know that you told me that we don't Daven in a loud voice here and I couldn't hold myself in. So the Rav said you don't have to ask me for Mechila, you didn't do anything wrong. He said what do you mean that I didn't do anything wrong, when I asked for permission you told me not to do it. The Rav answered, the plan to Daven loud that we don't allow. Our Minhag is that we Daven with reflection, thinking, calmly. If you plan to Daven loud you are going against our Minhag. If while you are Davening your heart is so full of enthusiasm that you can't help it burst forth from you, that is not a contradiction to our Minhag. There is a planned screaming and there is the bursting forth of emotion. That is what we are talking about.

Rabbi Resisman  Parshas Tzav 5769


The Bais Aaron a previous Stoliner Rebbe did a Shidduch with another Chassidik Rebbe (maybe the Rishina Rebbe). When they came together for the Simcha they Davened together. As you may know, the Stoliner Chassidim Daven in a loud voice and it is a very unique Davening. The other Rebbe’s Chassidim saw the way the Stoliner Chassidim were Davening and asked if they should copy them. The Rishina Rebbe responded if you are that level then you can copy them and if not then do not copy them. The Stoliner Rebbe responded it is just the opposite. If you are on that level you don’t need to Daven in that method, however, if you are not on that level and your Davening is not that significant, then Daven in a loud voice and do things in order that you should be on that level.

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Re: CHASIDISHE MAASEH told by Rav Shach zt"l
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2021, 08:10:57 PM »
fyi Rav shach was Rosh yeshiva in stolin

He was also considered for the position of Rosh Yeshiva in Chabad.

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Re: CHASIDISHE MAASEH told by Rav Shach zt"l
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2021, 12:42:59 AM »
He was also considered for the position of Rosh Yeshiva in Chabad.
Last time I wrote that story, the mods deleted my posts

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Re: CHASIDISHE MAASEH told by Rav Shach zt"l
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2021, 04:50:34 AM »
Last time I wrote that story, the mods deleted my posts

What was the story?

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Re: CHASIDISHE MAASEH told by Rav Shach zt"l
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2021, 07:41:46 AM »
Last time I wrote that story, the mods deleted my posts
IIRC, it was not really the story that was the impetus for it getting deleted, but the way it was repeated.
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Re: CHASIDISHE MAASEH told by Rav Shach zt"l
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2021, 10:22:41 PM »
What was the story?

A few members of the hanhola went to speak with him in learning, to determine if they should hire him. They were not impressed, as he was not very engaged in the conversation. He apologized to them and explained that he was off his game (my words obviously) because he had just celebrated a family Simcha (daughter's chasuna perhaps?).

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Re: CHASIDISHE MAASEH told by Rav Shach zt"l
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2021, 10:57:29 PM »


A few members of the hanhola

If I'm not mistaken it was bochrim in yeshiva not hanhola

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Re: CHASIDISHE MAASEH told by Rav Shach zt"l
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2021, 11:41:21 PM »
A few members of the hanhola went to speak with him in learning, to determine if they should hire him. They were not impressed, as he was not very engaged in the conversation. He apologized to them and explained that he was off his game (my words obviously) because he had just celebrated a family Simcha (daughter's chasuna perhaps?).
I don't know who they hired instead bit I'd guess it was not someone of his caliber.