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If you were/are eligible for the 2nd booster shot, would you get it?

Yes
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No
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No, the Kool-aid will protect me.
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2022, 01:05:35 PM »
Meaningless.

I tested off the charts (2500+ on the labcorp semi-quant) for antibodies from pre-Omicron infection and got symptomatic (technically ďmildĒ but legit sick) Omicron a month later.
Same thing can happen with the vaccine.

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2022, 01:13:32 PM »
Same thing can happen with the vaccine.

Maybe, maybe not. You donít know enough about immunology for me to take your word for it, and as far as Iím concerned the experts are still out on this one. Whatís certain is that while there is some overlap natural immunity and vaccine immunity donít work the same way. The ramifications for that in the real world are still unclear, but the evidence pro-vaccine (especially for someone with no prior infection) is very compelling, even for Omicron.
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2022, 01:15:30 PM »
Maybe, maybe not. You donít know enough about immunology for me to take your word for it, and as far as Iím concerned the experts are still out on this one. Whatís certain is that while there is some overlap natural immunity and vaccine immunity donít work the same way.
You're disputing that people who got the vaccine, got Omicron a month later? Not sure I understand.

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #183 on: March 30, 2022, 01:18:51 PM »
You're disputing that people who got the vaccine, got Omicron a month later? Not sure I understand.
Booster? Much less.

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #184 on: March 30, 2022, 01:18:57 PM »
You're disputing that people who got the vaccine, got Omicron a month later? Not sure I understand.

I was fully vaxxed and had prior infection, Iím not sure which of those the off-the-charts should be attributed to (or how to break it down).

What Iím disputing is:
4yourinfoís insinuation that high antibodies are an indication that one doesnít need a booster shot or wonít benefit from it
Your insinuation that because one can get infected from Omicron even with high antibodies from vaccination, it somehow implies that vaccination (or boosting) doesnít make a difference
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #185 on: March 30, 2022, 01:19:20 PM »
Booster? Much less.

100%, itís documented, was posted on DDF, too lazy to go looking
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #186 on: March 30, 2022, 01:19:54 PM »
Booster? Much less.
He brought proof from his personal story, which could have happened as well if he was vaccinated.

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #187 on: March 30, 2022, 01:21:26 PM »
I was fully vaxxed and had prior infection, Iím not sure which of those the off-the-charts should be attributed to (or how to break it down).

What Iím disputing is:
4yourinfoís insinuation that high antibodies are an indication that one doesnít need a booster shot or wonít benefit from it
Your insinuation that because one can get infected from Omicron even with high antibodies from vaccination, it somehow implies that vaccination (or boosting) doesnít make a difference
I never meant to imply that. Just that the proof is not from you having gotten Omicron, as it happened to many who were vaxxed.

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #188 on: March 30, 2022, 01:21:29 PM »
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and-medical-devices/antibody-serology-testing-covid-19-information-patients-and-consumers?msclkid=5be5d442b04911ecb4cc5aec06c01bff

Antibody Tests: Not for Use to Check Immunity
Q: Will a positive result on a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test mean I have immunity and I will not get COVID-19?
A: No. At this time, SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests do not tell you if you have immunity that will prevent you from getting COVID-19. A positive SARS-CoV-2 antibody test does not necessarily mean you are immune or have immunity that will prevent COVID-19. More research is needed to understand what SARS-CoV-2 antibody test results can tell us. And, SARS-CoV-2 antibodies detected in your blood reflect only one part of your immune system, which also includes T-cells and other components that are part of your body's immune response.

Q: Should I get a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test to decide if I need a COVID-19 vaccine or after I am vaccinated to see if my vaccine worked?
A: No. At this time, antibody test results should not be used to decide if you need a COVID-19 vaccine or a vaccine booster, or to determine whether your vaccine worked. There is not a clear connection between SARS-CoV-2 antibody test results, the need for a COVID-19 vaccine or booster, or whether a vaccine worked in a person. Also, some SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests may not detect the kind of antibodies created following vaccination. SARS-CoV-2 antibodies detected in your blood reflect only one part of your immune system, which also includes T-cells and other components that are part of your body's immune response.

More research is needed to understand the role of SARS-CoV-2 antibody testing in evaluating a person's immunity or protection against COVID-19 and understanding if antibody tests will be helpful for deciding if a person should receive a COVID-19 vaccine. If you have questions about whether a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test is right for you, talk with your health care provider or your state or local health department.

Q. Can a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test tell me if I could infect other people?
A: No. Antibody tests do not tell you whether or not you can infect other people with SARS-CoV-2. Current information indicates people infected with SARS-CoV-2 can still transmit the SARS-CoV-2 virus and infect other people, even if they are COVID-19 vaccinated or have detectable SARS-CoV-2 antibodies from a previous infection.
Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration authorized a second booster dose of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the Moderna COVID-19 vaccines for older people and certain immunocompromised individuals. The FDA previously authorized a single booster dose for certain immunocompromised individuals following completion of a three-dose primary vaccination series. This action will now make a second booster dose of these vaccines available to other populations at higher risk for severe disease, hospitalization and death. Emerging evidence suggests that a second booster dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine improves protection against severe COVID-19 and is not associated with new safety concerns.

The agency amended the emergency use authorizations as follows:

A second booster dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine or Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine may be administered to individuals 50 years of age and older at least 4 months after receipt of a first booster dose of any authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine.
A second booster dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may be administered to individuals 12 years of age and older with certain kinds of immunocompromise at least 4 months after receipt of a first booster dose of any authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine. These are people who have undergone solid organ transplantation, or who are living with conditions that are considered to have an equivalent level of immunocompromise.
A second booster dose of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine may be administered at least 4 months after the first booster dose of any authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine to individuals 18 years of age and older with the same certain kinds of immunocompromise.
ďCurrent evidence suggests some waning of protection over time against serious outcomes from COVID-19 in older and immunocompromised individuals. Based on an analysis of emerging data, a second booster dose of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccine could help increase protection levels for these higher-risk individuals,Ē said Peter Marks, M.D., Ph.D., director of the FDAís Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. ďAdditionally, the data show that an initial booster dose is critical in helping to protect all adults from the potentially severe outcomes of COVID-19. So, those who have not received their initial booster dose are strongly encouraged to do so.Ē

Todayís action applies only to the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines and the authorization of a single booster dose for other age groups with these vaccines remains unchanged. The agency will continue to evaluate data and information as it becomes available when considering the potential use of a second booster dose in other age groups.

The FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and the FDA-approved Comirnaty can be used to provide the authorized booster dose(s). Similarly, the FDA-authorized Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and the FDA-approved Spikevax are authorized to provide the authorized booster dose(s).

Information to Support Authorization of a Second COVID-19 Booster Dose

The FDA has determined that the known and potential benefits of a second COVID-19 vaccine booster dose with either of these vaccines outweigh their known and potential risks in these populations. The evidence considered for authorization of a second booster dose following primary vaccination and first booster dose included safety and immune response information provided to the agency as well as additional information on effectiveness submitted by the companies.

A summary of safety surveillance data provided to the FDA by the Ministry of Health of Israel on the administration of approximately 700,000 fourth (second booster) doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine given at least 4 months after the third dose in adults 18 years of age and older (approximately 600,000 of whom were 60 years of age or older) revealed no new safety concerns.

The safety of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, when administered as a second booster dose, is informed by experience with the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and safety information reported from an independently conducted study in which the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine was administered as a second booster dose to 120 participants 18 years of age and older who had received a two-dose primary series and a first booster dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine at least 4 months prior. No new safety concerns were reported during up to three weeks of follow up after the second booster dose.

Immunogenicity data from an ongoing, open-label, non-randomized clinical study in healthcare workers at a single center in Israel were reported in a publication provided to the FDA. In this study, individuals 18 years of age and older who had received primary vaccination and a first booster dose with Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine were administered a second booster dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (154 individuals) or Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine (120 individuals) at least four months after the first booster dose. Among these individuals, increases in neutralizing antibody levels against SARS-CoV-2 virus, including delta and omicron variants were reported two weeks after the second booster as compared to 5 months after the first booster dose.

The amendments to the EUAs to include a second booster dose for these populations were granted to Pfizer Inc. and ModernaTX Inc.
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #189 on: March 30, 2022, 01:35:16 PM »
reading the FDA news release it seems that the basis for a booster is waning neutralizing antibody levels
That is not what it says. You are drawing a conclusion they did not make.
You have the link?
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #190 on: March 30, 2022, 01:35:27 PM »
I never meant to imply that. Just that the proof is not from you having gotten Omicron, as it happened to many who were vaxxed.

vaxxed or not, high-antibodies donít protect again Omicron infection.
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #191 on: March 30, 2022, 02:05:10 PM »
vaxxed or not, high-antibodies donít protect again Omicron infection.
Or indicate what future immunity will be
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #192 on: March 30, 2022, 02:27:37 PM »
vaxxed or not, high-antibodies donít protect again Omicron infection.
that is not what the FDA News release insinuates - why do they bring an Israeli study which shows a 2nd booster "increases in neutralizing antibody levels against SARS-CoV-2 virus"?

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #193 on: March 30, 2022, 02:39:42 PM »
that is not what the FDA News release insinuates - why do they bring an Israeli study which shows a 2nd booster "increases in neutralizing antibody levels against SARS-CoV-2 virus"?
How about we stick with what they said and not what something might seem or insinuates? Everyone will twist that to fit their view.
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #194 on: March 30, 2022, 02:50:30 PM »
vaxxed or not, high-antibodies donít protect again Omicron infection.

And the vaccine or booster does what for Omicron infection?
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #195 on: March 30, 2022, 02:53:28 PM »
And the vaccine or booster does what for Omicron infection?
Lessens the symptoms? Less chance of hospitalization?  Less chance of dying?
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #196 on: March 30, 2022, 03:04:03 PM »
Lessens the symptoms? Less chance of hospitalization?  Less chance of dying?
Vaccines produce antibodies hence high antibodies will produce the same results - do you have anything showing otherwise?

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #197 on: March 30, 2022, 03:05:37 PM »
Vaccines produce antibodies hence high antibodies will produce the same results - do you have anything showing otherwise?
I am pretty sure this is wrong. Vaccines teach your body how to produce antibodies.
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #198 on: March 30, 2022, 03:07:01 PM »
Vaccines produce antibodies hence high antibodies will produce the same results - do you have anything showing otherwise?
Besides what I posted from the FDA? FDA is no longer a good source?
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #199 on: March 30, 2022, 03:18:14 PM »
Besides what I posted from the FDA? FDA is no longer a good source?
The FDA in it's news release to authorize a 2nd booster, makes a point to quote the study in Israel in which a 2nd booster increases in neutralizing antibody levels against SARS-CoV-2 virus.