Author Topic: All the $$ wasted on PCR tests (Read 4045 times)

AsherO · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2021, 01:22:02 AM »

Quote from: zh cohen on December 30, 2021, 12:55:06 AM

Did they give any explanation as the why they are withdrawing the EUA request for this one?

No idea, but considering it’s dated 07/21/2021, it has nothing to do with Omicron

ETA:

Quote from: https://www.aacc.org/cln/articles/2021/september/cdc-planning-to-withdraw-request-for-eua-of-sars-cov-2-pcr-test

CDC first introduced this assay for detection of SARS-CoV-2 in February 2020. Now, however, the agency has decided to voluntarily withdraw its request for EUA primarily because “hundreds of SARS-CoV-2 [polymerase chain reaction (PCR)] tests have received EUAs and are widely available,” said AACC President Stephen R. Master, MD, PhD, FAACC. This means that “CDC’s test is no longer needed to fill an unmet testing need.”

yuneeq · « **Reply #21 on:** December 30, 2021, 01:31:29 AM »

Quote from: Euclid on December 29, 2021, 11:53:19 PM

They now have PCR tests that can multiplex and test for flu and covid simultaneously.

Did you also get the whatsapp message (forwarded multiple times) claiming that the CDC admitted that the COVID PCR test is inaccurate and can't tell the difference between flu and COVID, with a link to this CDC announcement?

Euclid · « **Reply #22 on:** December 30, 2021, 01:33:13 AM »

Quote from: yuneeq on December 30, 2021, 01:31:29 AM

Did you also get the whatsapp message (forwarded multiple times) claiming that the CDC admitted that the COVID PCR test is inaccurate and can't tell the difference between flu and COVID, with a link to this CDC announcement?

Yep - saw it on someone's status

AsherO · « **Reply #23 on:** December 30, 2021, 01:34:21 AM »

Quote from: yuneeq on December 30, 2021, 01:31:29 AM

Did you also get the whatsapp message (forwarded multiple times) claiming that the CDC admitted that the COVID PCR test is inaccurate and can't tell the difference between flu and COVID, with a link to this CDC announcement?

Both articles posted (the OP link and aacc.org I quoted above) write that CDC recommends labs use the multiplex COVID/flu PCR that can test for both, the WhatsApp is just anti-vaxxers spinning that.

yuneeq · « **Reply #24 on:** December 30, 2021, 01:41:10 AM »

Quote from: AsherO on December 30, 2021, 01:34:21 AM

Both articles posted (the OP link and aacc.org I quoted above) write that CDC recommends labs use the multiplex COVID/flu PCR that can test for both, the WhatsApp is just anti-vaxxers spinning that.

I recently did a single PCR test that literally tested for 23 different viruses including COVID, flu A/B, and many others. Turns out I had Coronavirus OC43, aka common cold. The results gave me confidence about the accuracy, but I didn't get results for like 3 days.

However the typical system of testing multiple times for flu and COVID is such a drain on resources and creates a unnecessarily huge backlog for testing during outbreaks.

AsherO · « **Reply #25 on:** December 30, 2021, 07:35:58 AM »

Quote from: yuneeq on December 30, 2021, 01:41:10 AM

I recently did a single PCR test that literally tested for 23 different viruses including COVID, flu A/B, and many others. Turns out I had Coronavirus OC43, aka common cold. The results gave me confidence about the accuracy, but I didn't get results for like 3 days.

However the typical system of testing multiple times for flu and COVID is such a drain on resources and creates a unnecessarily huge backlog for testing during outbreaks.

Sounds like a respiratory panel, if that’s what it is they’re extremely pricey (~$1,500) and doctors won’t always order it because insurance might balk.

yuneeq · « **Reply #26 on:** December 30, 2021, 08:11:01 AM »

Quote from: AsherO on December 30, 2021, 07:35:58 AM

Sounds like a respiratory panel, if that’s what it is they’re extremely pricey (~$1,500) and doctors won’t always order it because insurance might balk.

Not sure it costs that much. 3 weeks later only claim my PCP submitted is $160 for the visit.

yeshivabucher · « **Reply #27 on:** December 30, 2021, 08:35:20 AM »

Quote from: yuneeq on December 30, 2021, 08:11:01 AM

Not sure it costs that much. 3 weeks later only claim my PCP submitted is $160 for the visit.

lab might have charged separate

yuneeq · « **Reply #28 on:** December 30, 2021, 08:38:45 AM »

Quote from: yeshivabucher on December 30, 2021, 08:35:20 AM

lab might have charged separate

Haven’t received any other claims yet, but will update here if they do.

aygart · « **Reply #29 on:** December 30, 2021, 09:48:27 AM »

Quote from: AsherO on December 30, 2021, 01:34:21 AM

the WhatsApp is just anti-vaxxers lying about that.

FTFY

AsherO · « **Reply #30 on:** December 30, 2021, 09:50:16 AM »

Quote from: aygart on December 30, 2021, 09:48:27 AM

FTFY

Yes, but they use news to develop and “support” those lies, hence: spin

aygart · « **Reply #31 on:** December 30, 2021, 09:51:10 AM »

Quote from: AsherO on December 30, 2021, 09:50:16 AM

Yes, but they use news to develop and “support” those lies, hence: spin

PIle on additional lies

zh cohen · « **Reply #32 on:** December 30, 2021, 10:43:52 AM »

Quote from: AsherO on December 30, 2021, 01:22:02 AM

ETA:

Quote

CDC’s test is no longer needed to fill an unmet testing need.

Are they saying that since there are many commercially available test, it is no longer the CDC's job to provide a test?

yitzgar · « **Reply #33 on:** December 30, 2021, 10:44:46 AM »

I had one swab earlier this week and they tested for Corona and flu a and b. Does this mean they were using the new test already, or can they test one swab multiple times?

aygart · « **Reply #34 on:** December 30, 2021, 10:44:53 AM »

Quote from: zh cohen on December 30, 2021, 10:43:52 AM

Are they saying that since there are many commercially available test, it is no longer the CDC's job to provide a test?

They do not need to use emergency use to expedite.

zh cohen · « **Reply #35 on:** December 30, 2021, 10:48:25 AM »

Quote from: aygart on December 30, 2021, 09:48:27 AM

FTFY

With the people I know, it's not lying per se, it's reading something and misunderstanding it because of their preconceptions.

zh cohen · « **Reply #36 on:** December 30, 2021, 10:49:34 AM »

Quote from: aygart on December 30, 2021, 10:44:53 AM

They do not need to use emergency use to expedite.

Aren't all the others also still under a EUA?

ETA:

“hundreds of SARS-CoV-2 [polymerase chain reaction (PCR)] tests have received EUAs and are widely available,”

aygart · « **Reply #37 on:** December 30, 2021, 10:50:12 AM »

Quote from: zh cohen on December 30, 2021, 10:49:34 AM

Aren't all the others also still under a EUA?

Yes and they are already approved while that one is not yet approved.

AsherO · « **Reply #38 on:** December 30, 2021, 10:51:11 AM »

Quote from: aygart on December 30, 2021, 10:44:53 AM

They do not need to use emergency use to expedite.

IOW, all EUAs (COVID related anyway) are due to an emergency, and multiple tests/treatments/vaccines are EUA-approved only because there’s a pandemic that creates demand beyond what’s already available (so even if 50 tests are approved, a 51st is deemed “needed”).

The FDA isn’t making a decision here, it’s the CDC (that has other priorities to focus on) that’s withdrawing their request for EUA approval, perhaps to focus on other things.

zh cohen · « **Reply #39 on:** December 30, 2021, 10:52:09 AM »

Quote from: aygart on December 30, 2021, 10:50:12 AM

Yes and they are already approved while that one is not yet approved.

Are you saying that this test didn't even have EUA approval yet?