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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #160 on: November 09, 2021, 11:14:19 AM »
Wow. After this, I'm not sure there is any discussion left to be had. If we take the approach that he was acting in self defense, which at this point there is more evidence to support than to the contrary, how can you justify this statement? "Panicked" seems to be the least fitting description regardless of who's right in this case.
That was all in my IMHO. I base it on actually having to shoot someone and knowing others that have. A telling sign was he shot the first person four times in quick succession. Classic panic situation for a 17 year old.
Secondly, don't put words in my mouth. Just because the world is better off without someone, doesn't mean "who cares" and you know that as well as I do.
I did not put any words in your mouth. If you feel the world is better off without them it is hard to argue you care they got killed. That is the way I look at it.
You can nitpick, but he made clear statements to the police, and confirmed those under oath, and made contradictory statements under oath. You want to say he didn't lie, we can agree to disagree.
I am going with the facts established in the trial. If there was something in the trial that shows he lied on the stand please link to it.
He was illegally carrying a firearm with an expired CCW. Is that criminal? He himself admitted it was under oath. Again, you can attack me personally, but I make it very clear when I'm offering my opinion vs when I'm presenting facts, and even when presenting facts, I state that this is how I see them, and anyone who wishes can disagree.
You should be charged for carry with an expired license. A judge/jury will decide if you committed a criminal offense, not you or I. Remember Kyle is in the same situation.
Lol are you serious? The prosecution literally removed evidence from this case to avoid the defense bringing one of the individuals character into the case. There are several cases documented. One of them was convicted on 2 of 5 (I believe) counts of forcefully sodomizing 9-11 year olds. Nobody is hiding those, and they are public record. I'm going to end all this here, as I don't believe this is constructive any longer, and it's becoming opinion pushing. Watch the trials, look at the evidence, watch the footage from that night, and look at public record. There's a lot of info out there.
Again I am going by the facts in the case. If it is not entered into evidence then it is not part of the case.
Are you saying you didn't here about any of this so called bad stuff from blogs/WA groups?

Now the final thought after probably my longest post ever on DDF.  :)

It is hard to have a constructive discussion with someone when they are only taking one-side. My only option is to post the other side with the hope if the individual is truly objective he will at least consider the other side.

For the record in the the poll I voted "I have no idea".
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #161 on: November 09, 2021, 11:30:13 AM »
The one charge is interesting: First-degree reckless homicide, use of a dangerous weapon
So they are saying Kyle did not intent to murder Rosenbaum but cause the death by showing a disregard for human life.

Now contrast that with the killing of Hubert: First-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #163 on: November 09, 2021, 12:33:08 PM »
Acquittal coming soon?

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #164 on: November 09, 2021, 12:36:52 PM »
Acquittal coming soon?
Possible but also conviction coming soon?  :)
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #165 on: November 09, 2021, 12:37:49 PM »
Possible but also conviction coming soon?  :)
True, in the upside down world we live in…

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #166 on: November 09, 2021, 12:39:44 PM »
True, in the upside down world we live in…
The upside down world we currently live in is only seeing things one-way.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #168 on: November 09, 2021, 04:34:57 PM »
Does it matter if some of the shots were not self-defense?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-fatally-shot-man-who-was-in-horizontal-position-pathologist-testifies/ar-AAQvEfk?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

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“So if I was charging like a bull and diving, that would be consistent” with the wounds suffered by Rosenbaum, Richards asked.

“That would be,” Kelley responded.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #169 on: November 09, 2021, 04:42:29 PM »

That question is useless unless a witness says that is what happened.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #170 on: November 09, 2021, 04:44:20 PM »
Does it matter if some of the shots were not self-defense?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-fatally-shot-man-who-was-in-horizontal-position-pathologist-testifies/ar-AAQvEfk?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
As someone who claims to have been involved in a shooting, i would assume you know that you shoot until the threat is eliminated. Its not let me shoot him once, 5 second pause to see whether i hit the threat, evaluate, and then shoot again. Honestly cannot tell if you are being intentionally obtuse or not.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #171 on: November 09, 2021, 04:44:30 PM »
That question is useless unless a witness says that is what happened.
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It means that the forensics are not conclusive
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #172 on: November 09, 2021, 04:48:28 PM »
As someone who claims to have been involved in a shooting, i would assume you know that you shoot until the threat is eliminated. Its not let me shoot him once, 5 second pause to see whether i hit the threat, evaluate, and then shoot again. Honestly cannot tell if you are being intentionally obtuse or not.
If I shoot an unarmed person in the head with a AR15 once, the threat will be eliminated.
Lets use a little common sense.

As someone who claims to have been involved in a shooting,
I didn't claim anything. I stated fact!!!  >:(
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #173 on: November 09, 2021, 04:50:52 PM »
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It means that the forensics are not conclusive
Nothing is ever 100%. Asking a question that has nothing to with the situation is only to confuse.
If he fell from an airplane and was shot would that be consistent with the wounds, yes. Ok so what!  ::)
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #174 on: November 09, 2021, 04:52:39 PM »
If I shoot an unarmed person in the head with a AR15 once the threat will be eliminated.
Lets use a little common sense.
So you're assuming he knew he hit him in the head. No clue whether this perceived threat was real, but assuming he thought he was under attack the fact that this guy was shot 3 times, is totally irrelevant.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #175 on: November 09, 2021, 04:56:24 PM »
So your assuming he knew he hit him in the head. No clue whether this perceived threat was real, but assuming he thought he was under attack the fact that this guy was shot 3 times, is totally irrelevant.
The amount of times a person is shot is extremely relevant. What if he emptied the whole clip in him. You still going to buy it was self-defense?

I Chicago cop was convicted mainly because of the amount of shots.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #176 on: November 09, 2021, 04:57:39 PM »
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It means that the forensics are not conclusive
The witness this info came from actually testified to the contrary. He finished by stating that based on the information he had, it appeard the individual who was shot, alread had a forward trajectory or momentum prior to the first shot being fired. Additionally, all shots were fired in less than a second. Watch the actual court footage and ignore these one off snippets from the MSM
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #177 on: November 09, 2021, 04:59:25 PM »
The witness this info came from actually testified to the contrary. He finished by stating that based on the information he had, it appeard the individual who was shot, alread had a forward trajectory or momentum prior to the first shot being fired. Additionally, all shots were fired in less than a second. Watch the actual court footage and ignore these one off snippets from the MSM
Did he state he was diving?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #178 on: November 09, 2021, 05:03:54 PM »
My view is this 17 year old was scared to death and panicked. The more I hear the stronger it makes me feel this is what happened.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #179 on: November 09, 2021, 05:07:37 PM »
Did he state he was diving?
He stated it was possible, as did he with other possibilities. In closing though, he did say that the the forward momentum was not related to the shots fired.


My view is this 17 year old was scared to death and panicked. The more I hear the stronger it makes me feel this is what happened.
I respect your view, but if you want it to be an educated one (not that it would be different) I'd suggest looking at actual footage. MSM on both sides are working very hard to pick and choose what fits them best and after watching (still am) most of todays trial, I can see how easy it is to spin things in ways they seem irrefutable.
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