Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?

[Mordyk]

Had some time to kill so watched the doctors testimony.

first shot R was upright and shot to the pelvis, no contact with the barrel
second shot to the hand which could have been in contact with the barrel
third and forth shots to the back and head, not sure of order

When Kyle says he grab the barrel that was only possible after he shot him the first time and shattered his pelvis.
Pelvis shattered and falling forward he gets shot in the hand either with his hand on the barrel or within inches.
Why was the third and forth shots necessary?

As KR explained, he shot until he didn't feel threatened.  All this happens in a very short span.  So it's difficult to sit down on side of the sidewalk and contemplate if the threat is over.

[CountValentine]

The same way it takes a person a second or two to realize that they are being attacked and they must respond, it also takes a second or two to realize the threat is over. A skilled responder can have this click in about a half second, a less skilled person will take longer. Even skilled responders can continue to fire a shot or two before it clicks that the threat is over.

As KR explained, he shot until he didn't feel threatened.  All this happens in a very short span.  So it's difficult to sit down on side of the sidewalk and contemplate if the threat is over.

Ok so you are not disputing what the doctor said? This charging like a bull and diving was just a ploy by the defense as another member likes to say?

So if I understand correctly. Even when the first shot shattered his pelvis and the threat was over KR keep shooting because it was a short period of time and he didn't realize the threat was over. Even as R was falling to the ground he shot him in the back.

[CountValentine]

WI v. Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Day 6 - Direct Exam of Dr. Doug Kelly - Forensic Pathologist

[yuneeq]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/10/22775580/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-judge-apple-ai-pinch-to-zoom-footage-manipulation-claim

I’m curious about this. There’s definitely some extrapolation going on when digitally zooming but would it happen in a way that would make you see a gun in the wrong place? Is there no precedent for/against this argument?

[Yo ssi]

I’m curious about this. There’s definitely some extrapolation going on when digitally zooming but would it happen in a way that would make you see a gun in the wrong place? Is there no precedent for/against this argument?

Don't know, but it seemed the prosecutor thought it would depict a gun. Based off my simple observation it seems it's just a shadow that was before before Kyle comes in the frame.

[CountValentine]

Has anyone seen the FBI infrared video that shows when this started KR was running behind R?

After seeing all this video after not watching it initially it makes sense why they put KR on the stand.

[zh cohen]

Has anyone seen the FBI infrared video that shows when this started KR was running behind R?

Is that actually what the video shows? I know the prosecution claims it does, but not sure that it does.

[CountValentine]

Is that actually what the video shows? I know the prosecution claims it does, but not sure that it does.

Based on testimony. IIRC it was from the detective.

[YitzyS]

Random point: yesterday, the prosecutor kept harping on the fact that Rittenhouse ran to the police instead of administering first aid on the people he shot, implying that he's not such a big hero if he didn't stay to help the guy screaming "I need a medic".

This is such dirty questioning. Do you really think the guy who just had to shoot two people because people were calling him an active shooter should stay around and possibly put more people at peril if they try to take him out? It would've been reckless endangerment of people's lives to stay around and serve as a means of danger to bystanders who don't know the whole story, as it just did seconds before.

Am I supposed to not despise a prosecutor who tries to misconstrue excellent judgement with poor judgement??

[Dan]

Random point: yesterday, the prosecutor kept harping on the fact that Rittenhouse ran to the police instead of administering first aid on the people he shot, implying that he's not such a big hero if he didn't stay to help the guy screaming "I need a medic".

This is such dirty questioning. Do you really think the guy who just had to shoot two people because people were calling him an active shooter should stay around and possibly put more people at peril if they try to take him out? It would've been reckless endangerment of people's lives to stay around and serve as a means of danger to bystanders who don't know the whole story, as it just did seconds before.

Am I supposed to not despise a prosecutor who tries to misconstrue excellent judgement with poor judgement??

This bothered me too. But Kyle should have had a more articulate response prepared for it.

[YitzyS]

This bothered me too. But Kyle should have had a more articulate response prepared for it.

There were numerous instances when he tried to add to his answer but the prosecutor cut him off - "But that's not my question, so please answer the question the way I phrased it."

[avromie7]

There were numerous instances when he tried to add to his answer but the prosecutor cut him off - "But that's not my question, so please answer the question the way I phrased it."

Just like when the prosecutor asked "did he touch your body" and KR responded he touched my gun. It's obviously the same thing, but the prosecutor wanted KR on record saying "he didn't touch me before I shot him"

[YitzyS]

Is Rittenhouse scheduled to testify for re-direct? Or is he done with his testimony?

[YitzyS]

Less than 3 minutes from the first shot until his surrender to police.

[Dan]

Just like when the prosecutor asked "did he touch your body" and KR responded he touched my gun. It's obviously the same thing, but the prosecutor wanted KR on record saying "he didn't touch me before I shot him"

Sure, but at least he had an answer to that, even if was cut off.

[yuneeq]

Random point: yesterday, the prosecutor kept harping on the fact that Rittenhouse ran to the police instead of administering first aid on the people he shot, implying that he's not such a big hero if he didn't stay to help the guy screaming "I need a medic".

This is such dirty questioning. Do you really think the guy who just had to shoot two people because people were calling him an active shooter should stay around and possibly put more people at peril if they try to take him out? It would've been reckless endangerment of people's lives to stay around and serve as a means of danger to bystanders who don't know the whole story, as it just did seconds before.

Am I supposed to not despise a prosecutor who tries to misconstrue excellent judgement with poor judgement??

This video shows KR running back to Rosenbaum after the shooting. There's already someone standing over Rosenbaum trying to help, and KR pulls out his phone and calls for assistance. He runs away once a bunch of people started yelling at him.

[CountValentine]

Just like when the prosecutor asked "did he touch your body" and KR responded he touched my gun. It's obviously the same thing, but the prosecutor wanted KR on record saying "he didn't touch me before I shot him"

...but he didn't touch the gun or him before he shot him. What's your point?

[avromie7]

...but he didn't touch the gun or him before he shot him. What's your point?

I think it was when discussing one of the others. The point is the prosecutor wasn't happy with KR saying "he touched my gun" which should be seen as an extension of the body and maybe even worse than touching his body, instead he wanted him to answer the narrow question of "did he touch your body"

[CountValentine]

I think it was when discussing one of the others. The point is the prosecutor wasn't happy with KR saying "he touched my gun" which should be seen as an extension of the body and maybe even worse than touching his body, instead he wanted him to answer the narrow question of "did he touch your body"

The ME testified the first shot had no soot residue so it wasn't possible for him to be touching the gun or KR. This shot according to the ME was when R was upright and it shattered his pelvis.

Now I get KR saying he never touched me would be damaging but that is exactly what the evidence shows. That does not look good for him being evasive.

[avromie7]

The ME testified the first shot had no soot residue so it wasn't possible for him to be touching the gun or KR. This shot according to the ME was when R was upright and it shattered his pelvis.

Now I get KR saying he never touched me would be damaging but that is exactly what the evidence shows. That does not look good for him being evasive.

Are you saying none of the guys he shot touched his gun?