Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?

[CountValentine]

Agreed, for all the media criticism, he errs on the side of presenting to the jury.
I'm just wondering why he wouldn't rule on it before sending it to the jury.

Why rule when you don't have to? Jury brings back an acquittal and he is off the hook.

[Yehuda57]

Why rule when you don't have to? Jury brings back an acquittal and he is off the hook.

Right, but if they convict and he actually does feel he should grant the motion, it will look really bad, and I don't think anyone can see him granting it then.

[zh cohen]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460816537812668425?s=20

Seems like a huge deal. This is the video the prosecution used to create the "enhanced" image that allegedly shows Rittenhouse pointing his gun. They didn't give the defense the full quality footage, only a compressed version.

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10210087/Prosecutors-Kenosha-shooter-trial-WITHHELD-evidence-defense.html

[CountValentine]

Right, but if they convict and he actually does feel he should grant the motion, it will look really bad, and I don't think anyone can see him granting it then.

I might not agree with some of his rulings but he is going to rule on the law as he sees it no matter how it looks to anyone.

[CountValentine]

Seems like a huge deal.

#nothingburger

[zh cohen]

#nothingburger

Why?

[CountValentine]

Why?

We have no facts what happened.

[zh cohen]

We have no facts what happened.

Are you suggesting that the defense made it up?

[CountValentine]

Are you suggesting that the defense made it up?

You mean like the charging like a bull and diving BS? 
They have played fast and loose/lied but have not been called out on it. I wonder why that is in this thread, NOT!!!

[yakov116]

@CountValentine I have watched countless defence videos. It takes time for the brain to process that it should stop shooting.

I don't believe anyone with out a lot of training would be able to stop after the first or second shot.

Having said that I think your argument about how many time is BS. Had he stopped shooting then continued again I would think differently.

[CountValentine]

@CountValentine I have watched countless defence videos. It takes time for the brain to process that it should stop shooting.

I don't believe anyone with out a lot of training would be able to stop after the first or second shot.

Having said that I think your argument about how many time is BS. Had he stopped shooting the continued again I would think differently.

We can all watch as many video's as we want. The fact is he shot him in the back as he was falling to the ground because his hip was shattered. The point I am making the defense is outright lying when they say it was caused by him charging like a bull and diving.

We can have different views but we still can acknowledge things that are not it dispute.
Have you seen me dispute that he was in fear for his life? That should be an acknowledged fact.

[zh cohen]

You mean like the charging like a bull and diving BS? 
They have played fast and loose/lied but have not been called out on it. I wonder why that is in this thread, NOT!!!

So you are going with "They made an argument that I think is inconsistent with the evidence, so they probably also lied to a judge in a court filing, about something that can (and will) be easily be verified"

I hope that makes you feel very "objective"

[CountValentine]

@CountValentine I have watched countless defence videos. It takes time for the brain to process that it should stop shooting.

I can tell you from personal experience you are either in control of your actions in this situation or you are not. KR was not. You don't get a pass because you were not in control of your actions.

[zh cohen]

Right, but if they convict and he actually does feel he should grant the motion, it will look really bad, and I don't think anyone can see him granting it then.

The question is if he grants the motion if there is a hung jury.

[CountValentine]

So you are going with "They made an argument that I think is inconsistent with the evidence, so they probably also lied to a judge in a court filing, about something that can (and will) be easily be verified"

I hope that makes you feel very "objective"

No I going with the evidence proved what they said did not happen and they know it. If you can't see that then you are blind.
They have not been honest in this whole trial which can be said about the prosecution also.

[CountValentine]

Can someone explain how R was a threat when he was falling to the ground? KR could only see his back at this point. Had his gun above R pointing down at his back and then fired two more shots. Did KR think R was going for a tackle at the ankles?

...but he fired 4 shots real fast. 

[YitzyS]

Can someone explain me how CV always ends up on the other side of the conversation? 

[CountValentine]

Can someone explain me how CV always ends up on the other side of the conversation? 

Sure, because everyone (most) have their mind made up for the other side and only see one side.

Now I understand why most here would never be on a jury. 

[beeweegee]

Can someone explain me how CV always ends up on the other side of the conversation? 

He stated earlier in the thread that he wanted to take the other position (or at least argue it, whether he agrees with it or not) in order to avoid the thread becoming an echo chamber, which frankly I like. It's nice to have multiple positions and arguments represented.

I have long assumed he utilized this tactic across multiple threads intentionally, regardless of his personal position.

[zh cohen]

You mean like the charging like a bull and diving BS? 
They have played fast and loose/lied but have not been called out on it. I wonder why that is in this thread, NOT!!!

During the jury instructions conference, the defense played their version of the video for the court to review. The state indicated their version was much clearer and had their tech person come into court to have the court review their clearer video. The video is the same, the resolution of that video, however, was not.

So is the prosecution also lying about having better quality footage?