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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #680 on: November 17, 2021, 07:35:59 AM »
Agreed, for all the media criticism, he errs on the side of presenting to the jury.
I'm just wondering why he wouldn't rule on it before sending it to the jury.
Why rule when you don't have to? Jury brings back an acquittal and he is off the hook.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #681 on: November 17, 2021, 07:40:24 AM »
Why rule when you don't have to? Jury brings back an acquittal and he is off the hook.
Right, but if they convict and he actually does feel he should grant the motion, it will look really bad, and I don't think anyone can see him granting it then.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #682 on: November 17, 2021, 07:43:01 AM »
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460816537812668425?s=20

Seems like a huge deal. This is the video the prosecution used to create the "enhanced" image that allegedly shows Rittenhouse pointing his gun. They didn't give the defense the full quality footage, only a compressed version.

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10210087/Prosecutors-Kenosha-shooter-trial-WITHHELD-evidence-defense.html

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #683 on: November 17, 2021, 07:46:50 AM »
Right, but if they convict and he actually does feel he should grant the motion, it will look really bad, and I don't think anyone can see him granting it then.
I might not agree with some of his rulings but he is going to rule on the law as he sees it no matter how it looks to anyone.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #684 on: November 17, 2021, 07:48:01 AM »
Seems like a huge deal.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #685 on: November 17, 2021, 08:01:36 AM »

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #686 on: November 17, 2021, 08:05:37 AM »
Why?
We have no facts what happened.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #687 on: November 17, 2021, 08:10:35 AM »
We have no facts what happened.

Are you suggesting that the defense made it up?

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #688 on: November 17, 2021, 08:16:04 AM »
Are you suggesting that the defense made it up?
You mean like the charging like a bull and diving BS?  ::)
They have played fast and loose/lied but have not been called out on it. I wonder why that is in this thread, NOT!!!
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #689 on: November 17, 2021, 08:19:41 AM »
@CountValentine I have watched countless defence videos. It takes time for the brain to process that it should stop shooting.

I don't believe anyone with out a lot of training would be able to stop after the first or second shot.

Having said that I think your argument about how many time is BS. Had he stopped shooting then continued again I would think differently.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #690 on: November 17, 2021, 08:26:26 AM »
@CountValentine I have watched countless defence videos. It takes time for the brain to process that it should stop shooting.

I don't believe anyone with out a lot of training would be able to stop after the first or second shot.

Having said that I think your argument about how many time is BS. Had he stopped shooting the continued again I would think differently.
We can all watch as many video's as we want. The fact is he shot him in the back as he was falling to the ground because his hip was shattered. The point I am making the defense is outright lying when they say it was caused by him charging like a bull and diving.

We can have different views but we still can acknowledge things that are not it dispute.
Have you seen me dispute that he was in fear for his life? That should be an acknowledged fact.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #691 on: November 17, 2021, 08:30:05 AM »
You mean like the charging like a bull and diving BS?  ::)
They have played fast and loose/lied but have not been called out on it. I wonder why that is in this thread, NOT!!!

So you are going with "They made an argument that I think is inconsistent with the evidence, so they probably also lied to a judge in a court filing, about something that can (and will) be easily be verified"

I hope that makes you feel very "objective"

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #692 on: November 17, 2021, 08:31:41 AM »
@CountValentine I have watched countless defence videos. It takes time for the brain to process that it should stop shooting.
I can tell you from personal experience you are either in control of your actions in this situation or you are not. KR was not. You don't get a pass because you were not in control of your actions.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #693 on: November 17, 2021, 08:32:05 AM »
Right, but if they convict and he actually does feel he should grant the motion, it will look really bad, and I don't think anyone can see him granting it then.

The question is if he grants the motion if there is a hung jury.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #694 on: November 17, 2021, 08:37:01 AM »
So you are going with "They made an argument that I think is inconsistent with the evidence, so they probably also lied to a judge in a court filing, about something that can (and will) be easily be verified"

I hope that makes you feel very "objective"
No I going with the evidence proved what they said did not happen and they know it. If you can't see that then you are blind.
They have not been honest in this whole trial which can be said about the prosecution also.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #695 on: November 17, 2021, 08:46:21 AM »
Can someone explain how R was a threat when he was falling to the ground? KR could only see his back at this point. Had his gun above R pointing down at his back and then fired two more shots. Did KR think R was going for a tackle at the ankles?

...but he fired 4 shots real fast.  ::)
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #696 on: November 17, 2021, 08:48:09 AM »
Can someone explain me how CV always ends up on the other side of the conversation?  :P

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #697 on: November 17, 2021, 08:50:14 AM »
Can someone explain me how CV always ends up on the other side of the conversation?  :P
Sure, because everyone (most) have their mind made up for the other side and only see one side.

Now I understand why most here would never be on a jury.  :)
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #698 on: November 17, 2021, 08:53:44 AM »
Can someone explain me how CV always ends up on the other side of the conversation?  :P
He stated earlier in the thread that he wanted to take the other position (or at least argue it, whether he agrees with it or not) in order to avoid the thread becoming an echo chamber, which frankly I like. It's nice to have multiple positions and arguments represented.

I have long assumed he utilized this tactic across multiple threads intentionally, regardless of his personal position.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #699 on: November 17, 2021, 09:19:41 AM »
You mean like the charging like a bull and diving BS?  ::)
They have played fast and loose/lied but have not been called out on it. I wonder why that is in this thread, NOT!!!

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During the jury instructions conference, the defense played their version of the video for the court to review. The state indicated their version was much clearer and had their tech person come into court to have the court review their clearer video. The video is the same, the resolution of that video, however, was not.

So is the prosecution also lying about having better quality footage?