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As the US implements new travel rules, allowing vaccinated travelers from Europe, I have a hunch that the US, Europe and the world at large will find out things that we in Crown Height (and other Jewish communities) already know.

Vaccinated (1, 2, or 3 doses) people do contract COVID-19.

I would imagine that most vaccinated people around the world don't regularly test for COVID-19, unless they really suspect that they are infected with it. But with travel requirements, there will be a lot more testing amongst the vaccinated, and as such, I expect an uptick in confirmed COVID-19 infections (that would otherwise go undetected, as people would simply not test for mild or no symptoms).

I think recoverees are less likely to get reinfected. And recoverees with a single dose of the vaccine even less. Will anybody be tracking? Does anyone care?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2021, 12:57:45 PM »
Vaccinated (1, 2, or 3 doses) people do contract COVID-19.
This isn't a chiddush. The point is to avoid severe/fatal COVID.
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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2021, 01:16:51 PM »
The requirement for testing remains the same.

A static ban-list of 26 countries since 1/25/2021 makes no sense the way COVID rates fluctuate, 6 months later it appears arbitrary. Alas the US is a slow moving behemoth and thus can’t properly maintain a dynamic listing of countries with their respective risk levels/rules.

You already know the answer to your question, nobody in the US cares to treat recoverees as a separate group.

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2021, 01:17:57 PM »
This isn't a chiddush. The point is to avoid severe/fatal COVID.

The original point was preventing spread from high-risk countries. There were almost no vaccinees internationally in January 2021 when these 26 countries were banned.

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2021, 01:20:02 PM »
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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2021, 01:21:50 PM »
This isn't a chiddush. The point is to avoid severe/fatal COVID.

But I think plenty will be surprised at how many will test positive and be required to quarantine prior to flying back. They might also be surprised at how prevalent it is. Maybe it is a good step in realizing the COVID-19 is something we live with, rather than try to avoid and eradicate at all costs (as some Zero case countries have been learning in recent months).
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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2021, 01:22:13 PM »
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Increased tourism? My shvigger finally visiting?

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2021, 01:23:09 PM »
But I think plenty will be surprised at how many will test positive and be required to quarantine prior to flying back. They might also be surprised at how prevalent it is. Maybe it is a good step in realizing the COVID-19 is something we live with, rather than try to avoid and eradicate at all costs (as some Zero case countries have been learning in recent months).

Reinfections are nothing new, and prevalent as ever with Delta.

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2021, 01:23:54 PM »
Increased tourism? My shvigger finally visiting?

I guess someone must be unhappy....  :P
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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2021, 01:24:41 PM »
I guess someone must be unhappy....  :P

Meh, she’s gonna be on my turf :D

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2021, 01:43:04 PM »
Increased tourism? My shvigger finally visiting?
Lol should've been clearer - that's the daf of Nov 8

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2021, 02:06:19 PM »
Lol should've been clearer - that's the daf of Nov 8

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2021, 02:11:53 PM »
As the US implements new travel rules, allowing vaccinated travelers from Europe, I have a hunch that the US, Europe and the world at large will find out things that we in Crown Height (and other Jewish communities) already know.

Vaccinated (1, 2, or 3 doses) people do contract COVID-19.
We all knew this from day one of the vaccine.
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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2021, 08:56:39 PM »
We all knew this from day one of the vaccine.
So require everyone to get weekly testing - if you really care about the spread shouldn't you be doing that? Enough calling people selfish for not getting the vaccine. Everyone is spreading it. Maybe the selfish people are the ones who think about themselves and think everyone around them should vaccinate so I don't get covid

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2021, 09:04:03 PM »
So require everyone to get weekly testing - if you really care about the spread shouldn't you be doing that?
Maybe that is more costly and has a lower ROI, and doesn’t also incentivize vaccination?
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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2021, 09:09:31 PM »
Maybe that is more costly and has a lower ROI, and doesn’t also incentivize vaccination?
Is the key.. so allow the media to obliterate people based on lies that the unvaccinated are selfish people who are spreading the virus and they need to get vaccinated or weekly testing to stop the "virus of the unvaccinated" way to go

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2021, 10:03:25 PM »
So require everyone to get weekly testing - if you really care about the spread shouldn't you be doing that? Enough calling people selfish for not getting the vaccine. Everyone is spreading it. Maybe the selfish people are the ones who think about themselves and think everyone around them should vaccinate so I don't get covid
That is a great idea. Everyone who didn't get the vaccine should be required to test every other day.
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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2021, 10:25:57 PM »
So require everyone to get weekly testing - if you really care about the spread shouldn't you be doing that? Enough calling people selfish for not getting the vaccine. Everyone is spreading it. Maybe the selfish people are the ones who think about themselves and think everyone around them should vaccinate so I don't get covid
Not sure why pointing something out got this response. Lets try and keep threads separate.
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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2021, 09:58:35 AM »
Not sure why pointing something out got this response. Lets try and keep threads separate.
You wrote we all knew this from day one - so why is the media and others peddling the unvaccinated to be selfish as they are putting others at risk when the vaccine is not stopping the spread

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Re: What will the US & Europe (and the world) learn starting Nov 8, 2021?
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2021, 09:59:35 AM »
You wrote we all knew this from day one - so why is the media and others peddling the unvaccinated to be selfish as they are putting others at risk when the vaccine is not stopping the spread
To get the chips into a many people as possible
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