WAR! Russia Attacks Ukraine Master Thread

[ExGingi]

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1491563974839705602?s=21

Anyone listening?

[PlatinumGuy]

https://twitter.com/christopherjm/status/1492231627329753091
https://twitter.com/nickschifrin/status/1492203846898176003

[EliJelly]

This can be the opportunity to bring the Russians to their knees if the western world would really focus on getting it done. More Russian casualties than what the Russian people can digest will be bad news for Putin.

[AsherO]

This can be the opportunity to bring the Russians to their knees if the western world would really focus on getting it done. More Russian casualties than what the Russian people can digest will be bad news for Putin.

Isn’t that risking the conflict escalating out of hand, particularly if Putin has nothing to lose?

[ExGingi]

This can be the opportunity to bring the Russians to their knees if the western world would really focus on getting it done. More Russian casualties than what the Russian people can digest will be bad news for Putin.

What interest would there be in bringing the Russians to their knees?

IMHO the Russians can endure much longer than the west.

[PlatinumGuy]

More Russian casualties than what the Russian people can digest

Who knows if there is any such number, not to mention if it's feasible to inflict without risking a nuclear war.

[AsherO]

Who knows if there is any such number, not to mention if it's feasible to inflict without risking a nuclear war.

Precisely, or escalating in that direction.

[EliJelly]

What interest would there be in bringing the Russians to their knees?

A weakened Russia is good for the world, when Russia feels emboldened they stir up trouble all over. Russia right after the soviet collapse was too busy with their own troubles to give a headache for others. Over time they regained dominance and now all Putin is good at is to destabilize the world. Hopefully getting some good slaps in the face in a war with Ukraine will diminish some of the Russian chutzpah. Obviously not by getting the western world directly involved as that may be too dangerous indeed.

[ExGingi]

A weakened Russia is good for the world,

Just like the Arab spring was great for the world. Peace and stability came with the toppling of Gaddafi, Hosni Mubarak and the Arab Spring blossoming in Syria. Not to mention the peace and stability in the region after ousting Saddam Hussein. 

Don't get me wrong. None of the names I mention are any good, but when you begin destabilizing a working situation, even if a bad one, you never know where you will end. That is why the Israelis keep ensuring Hamas gets funding to run Gaza.

Putin's request and interest seems very simple. He doesn't want NATO at his borders. He wants to maintain his ability to properly protect Russia.

[Moshe Green]

Just like the Arab spring was great for the world. Peace and stability came with the toppling of Gaddafi, Hosni Mubarak and the Arab Spring blossoming in Syria. Not to mention the peace and stability in the region after ousting Saddam Hussein. 

Don't get me wrong. None of the names I mention are any good, but when you begin destabilizing a working situation, even if a bad one, you never know where you will end. That is why the Israelis keep ensuring Hamas gets funding to run Gaza.

Putin's request and interest seems very simple. He doesn't want NATO at his borders. He wants to maintain his ability to properly protect Russia.

agreed. the real threat is iran and china. i'm not saying that putin should not be stopped, but doing so is not the key to world stability...

[CountValentine]

agreed. the real threat is iran and china. i'm not saying that putin should not be stopped, but doing so is not the key to world stability...

Iran?

[AsherO]

Just like the Arab spring was great for the world. Peace and stability came with the toppling of Gaddafi, Hosni Mubarak and the Arab Spring blossoming in Syria. Not to mention the peace and stability in the region after ousting Saddam Hussein. 

You’re cherry-picking the successes. The “middle east” (colloquially anyway) has a fair amount of instability in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places (Yemen), even after “regime change”.

Removing dictators is good, but that doesn’t guarantee stability will follow. The vacuum could lead to a whole new kind of chaos.

[ExGingi]

agreed. the real threat is iran and china. i'm not saying that putin should not be stopped, but doing so is not the key to world stability...

He might be helping to curb Iran and China where the US can't (different strategies that can work at different times and situations). He is a strong, calculated and capable leader. His presence on the global scene contributes to stability IMHO.

[yitzgar]

You’re cherry-picking the successes. The “middle east” (colloquially anyway) has a fair amount of instability in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places (Yemen), even after “regime change”.

Removing dictators is good, but that doesn’t guarantee stability will follow. The vacuum could lead to a whole new kind of chaos.

This was exactly his point

[Moshe Green]

Iran?

yeah. iran. the biggest sponsorer of terrorism in the world.

[CountValentine]

yeah. iran. the biggest sponsorer of terrorism in the world.

So Iran is a threat to the US with their terrorism?
We could wipe them out without thinking twice. The same cannot be said about Russia, China and someone you left out like NK.

[yitzgar]

So Iran is a threat to the US with their terrorism?
We could wipe them out without thinking twice. The same cannot be said about Russia, China and someone you left out like NK.

NK we'd have to think twice, but we could still do it. China and Russia is a whole nother story...

[Moshe Green]

So Iran is a threat to the US with their terrorism?
We could wipe them out without thinking twice. The same cannot be said about Russia, China and someone you left out like NK.

The original comment was about how russia is a threat to world stabibity not the US. So its irrelavent if iran can strike the us. but even with that said, yes, iran is also a threat to the us. it doesnt matter if the us can wipe out iran. they still are a threat if they havent yet been wiped out. also iran is willing to blow themselves up if they think it will bring them to paradise. most other countries don't think like that. nk is not a threat at all, they don't even have food to eat.

[CountValentine]

The original comment was about how russia is a threat to world stabibity not the US. So its irrelavent if iran can strike the us. but even with that said, yes, iran is also a threat to the us. it doesnt matter if the us can wipe out iran. they still are a threat if they havent yet been wiped out. also iran is willing to blow themselves up if they think it will bring them to paradise. most other countries don't think like that. nk is not a threat at all, they don't even have food to eat.

If you are talking about threat to the world then remove Iran and replace them with NK.

If you are talking about threat to the US then Iran is nowhere on the list.

[jj1000]

If you are talking about threat to the world then remove Iran and replace them with NK.

If you are talking about threat to the US then Iran is nowhere on the list.

https://www.heritage.org/military-strength/assessing-threats-us-vital-interests/conclusion-global-threat-level

If you are talking about threat to the US then Iran is nowhere on the list.

In short, they make the list.