Chaim Walder dies

[AsherO]

I think they meant a DDFer with sound judgement

[CountValentine]

I think they meant a DDFer with sound judgement

I thought that to, but the first two picks threw me off.

[AsherO]

I thought that to, but the first two picks threw me off.

At least one…

[TimT]

Which victims? The ones he claimed he met?

What are you implying ?

[aygart]

The internet asifa was more or less universally accepted, so can this. No reason why we can’t work on plan b at the same time, go right ahead. I hope the Askonim are reading DDF! 

That is not anything close to being the same thing. That was a one time  event and each community took its own direction from there.

[S209]

don’t believe he’s the heroic savior who was the only one who would deal with this and therefore took the matter in his own hands…

Don’t know the ins and outs… but that is definitely common knowledge in Israel…

Lashon Hara!!!!!

[S209]

What would be helpful would be transcripts or other direct evidence of child victims from a reliable vetted source which to date we have not seen.

That’s what would be helpful? Well then, I’ll be sure to forward him your contact info and he should have all the footage and transcripts sent over to you shortly.



(A Beis Din isn’t reliable, an independent investigation by a journalist isn’t reliable, his own lawyer/friend/maspid isn’t reliable. Got it.)

[S209]

if both sides agree to go to him then it’s on them and it’s fine, but something this sensitive should be done by a BD that is widely accepted. That’s the only fair thing for the victims…

CW wasn’t exactly willing to show up to BD anywhere (for good reason). He named the only BD he was willing to stand in front of in his suicide note..

[S209]

I’m sure the victims are not happy with all the confusion going on now

Right I’m sure that’s what’s really getting them, the confusion going on now.

[shimino1]

We are apparently still stuck in this stupid zero-sum game mindset.

If you have a Levaya with more then 10 people for CW it is  a terrible shameful event. I don't care if it is a Mitzva and you were his chavrusa for 30 years, if you dare go to the guy's funeral, you are perpetuating the cycle of abuse and will be held responsible for the next story of abuse that breaks.

Once at the levaya, everyone should either shut their mouths and not say a single word of hespedim because obviously any kind word you may say in front of the bereaved family is another act of abuse and molestation against the 10,000 victims of the monster himself and if you say a single nice word about Chaim Walder (even if it is the absolute truth) his victims will kill themselves and the blood will be on your hands.

Forget about the whole Shiva business, Let the family rot!
Either the family knew and helped cover it up or they are just stupid and oblivious. We just can't care about people like that, not when we can be celebrating with all the would be victims that were saved by the monsters death. In fact, we should throw a massive kiddush right under the family's window and blast happy music and have free L'chaims just to show how much we support abuse victims.

Anyone who does anything else or dares frown or show any emotion other then absolute bliss at the mention of Walders passing is to be brought up on charges of sexual abuse and/or murder in both this world and the next!

/Sarcastic

[yzj]

That’s what would be helpful? Well then, I’ll be sure to forward him your contact info and he should have all the footage and transcripts sent over to you shortly.



(A Beis Din isn’t reliable, an independent investigation by a journalist isn’t reliable, his own lawyer/friend/maspid isn’t reliable. Got it.)

A review of the material with the same conclusion coming from Rav Sariel Rosenberg, Rav Silman, Rav Mendel Shafran or any one of a host of well known reliable figures in Israel (who don’t take part in conspiracy theories that the pope is training Hezbolla to exterminate the Jews and the like) will do.

[S209]

A review of the material with the same conclusion coming from Rav Sariel Rosenberg, Rav Silman, Rav Mendel Shafran or any one of a host of well known reliable figures in Israel (who don’t take part in conspiracy theories that the pope is training Hezbolla to exterminate the Jews and the like) will do.

Will do for who? What point exactly is anyone trying to prove? Any Gadol is of course welcome to reach out to Aaron Rabinowitz or R’ Shmuel Eliyahu, much like CW’s own lawyer finally did. I’m sure whatever evidence is allowed would be gladly shared.

[yzj]

Will do for who? What point exactly is anyone trying to prove? Any Gadol is of course welcome to reach out to Aaron Rabinowitz or R’ Shmuel Eliyahu, much like CW’s own lawyer finally did. I’m sure whatever evidence is allowed would be gladly shared.

Until then the public has a right to doubt that things went beyond eshes ish and deal with his books accordingly. That doesn’t mean I believe he is clearly innocent of molestation, only that I don’t think a reliable source has spoken.

[JlmBoi]

A review of the material with the same conclusion coming from Rav Sariel Rosenberg, Rav Silman, Rav Mendel Shafran or any one of a host of well known reliable figures in Israel (who don’t take part in conspiracy theories that the pope is training Hezbolla to exterminate the Jews and the like) will do.

RMS appeared in court for Malka Leifer. Otherwise all good.

[ExGingi]

https://www.inn.co.il/news/536213

Interview with dayan in R' Eliyahu's BD.

[S209]

Until then the public has a right to doubt that things went beyond eshes ish and deal with his books accordingly.

Why are you searching for a right to doubt? As stated repeatedly by anyone familiar with the facts in this case this is a distortion of hilchos loshon hora. Did you reserve judgement on Levi Aaron as well when the news first broke?

Even the serial “plain Eishes Ish” in this case was a lot worse (from a humane perspective) than a standard case (which of course is already one of the gimmel chamuros and your immediate rush to defend it is telling as others have stated).

Nobody new is performing an investigation to clarify things further than they already are, unless the police investigation will continue in his death. That doesn’t mean the right mehalech is to bury your head in the sand.

That doesn’t mean I believe he is clearly innocent of molestation, only that I don’t think a reliable source has spoken.

What source has spoken in regards to the facts in this case?

To think he is clearly innocent would be beyond delusional, of course, the question is why you think there’s a shred of a chance?

https://www.inn.co.il/news/536213

Interview with dayan in R' Eliyahu's BD.

And yet another high profile person intimately familiar with the facts who is coming out publicly and unequivocally (but he sits on R’ Eliyahu’s Beis Din so he doesn’t count).

[S209]

We are apparently still stuck in this stupid zero-sum game mindset.

If you have a Levaya with more then 10 people for CW it is  a terrible shameful event. I don't care if it is a Mitzva and you were his chavrusa for 30 years, if you dare go to the guy's funeral, you are perpetuating the cycle of abuse and will be held responsible for the next story of abuse that breaks.

Once at the levaya, everyone should either shut their mouths and not say a single word of hespedim because obviously any kind word you may say in front of the bereaved family is another act of abuse and molestation against the 10,000 victims of the monster himself and if you say a single nice word about Chaim Walder (even if it is the absolute truth) his victims will kill themselves and the blood will be on your hands.

Forget about the whole Shiva business, Let the family rot!
Either the family knew and helped cover it up or they are just stupid and oblivious. We just can't care about people like that, not when we can be celebrating with all the would be victims that were saved by the monsters death. In fact, we should throw a massive kiddush right under the family's window and blast happy music and have free L'chaims just to show how much we support abuse victims.

Anyone who does anything else or dares frown or show any emotion other then absolute bliss at the mention of Walders passing is to be brought up on charges of sexual abuse and/or murder in both this world and the next!

A victim literally killed herself afterwords and you haven’t said a word about her. Is his blood redder than hers to you? You also have no idea if one or multiple others have as well.

[yandmk]

Did you reserve judgement on Levi Aaron as well when the news first broke?

Um, did Levi Aaron even try denying? There were literally body parts found in his home.(his only defense case was that he's mentally unfit to stand trial)
Great comparison.

[joe1234]

What are you implying ?

The question itself proves I’m not implying anything… again I don’t have a clue what happened… I’m not stupid and know the law of statistics but I also know a little about him hilchos lashon Horah… and noting some very obvious anomalies… therefore I’m very skeptical of CW but the same time don’t need to believe all of RSE claims if he can’t produce….

[aygart]

/Sarcastic

Such a callous attitude.