Chaim Walder dies

[TimT]

if he can’t produce….

Who says he can’t produce ? Would a different B”D be providing the kind of proof you’re looking for to the public ? I hope not.

I’ve never seen a B”D providing any proof when putting out letters against an individual for any reason.

[joe1234]

Who says he can’t produce ? Would a different B”D be providing the kind of proof you’re looking for to the public ? I hope not.

I’ve never seen a B”D providing any proof when putting out letters against an individual for any reason.

let him produce to a widely accepted BD... that would be enough for me.

[aygart]

Until then the public has a right to doubt that things went beyond eshes ish and deal with his books accordingly. That doesn’t mean I believe he is clearly innocent of molestation, only that I don’t think a reliable source has spoken.

How do you feel that such books written by someone who manipulated multiple married women should be dealt with? What changes if it is children?

[lansky]

So you want me to look at Hollywood which I consider a closed community?

Take classes about sexual abuse, go to seminars about sexual abuse, listen to the experts in the field and then come back at tell me where predators will have the easiest time.

convently you took my first example ,my second example was China or any other corrupt country even the US with epstein are you gonna tell me these countries are closed communities too?

[aygart]

let him produce to a widely accepted BD... that would be enough for me.

For what goal would this BD sit to listen to the evidence at this point?

[aygart]

convently you took my first example ,my second example was China or any other corrupt country even the US with epstein are you gonna tell me these countries are closed communities too?

Politicians? Of course they are closed communities.

[joe1234]

How do you feel that such books written by someone who manipulated multiple married women should be dealt with? What changes if it is children?

those woman did an aveirah that is chayav misah as well, although what he did may have been worse....good people can do bad things...not sure if that would have any bearing on his books, would need to read them to be able to tell..
coercing children is obviously a whole different story as there is no consent involved.

[joe1234]

For what goal would this BD sit to listen to the evidence at this point?

making a statement that suicide wont clear you from being found guilty. that helps all sides involved for the future...
would also help alleviate a lot of the unhealthy confusion going on now...

[aygart]

making a statement that suicide wont clear you from being found guilty. that helps all sides involved for the future...
would also help alleviate a lot of the unhealthy confusion going on now...

Aha. Which BD do you expect to sit in order to make this statement?

[aygart]

those woman did an aveirah that is chayav misah as well, although what he did may have been worse....good people can do bad things...not sure if that would have any bearing on his books, would need to read them to be able to tell..
coercing children is obviously a whole different story as there is no consent involved.

It is about manipulation not coercion

[joe1234]

Aha. Which BD do you expect to sit in order to make this statement?

if RSE can do it without speaking with CW then cant another BD do the same? or maybe...

[Happyguy]

if RSE can do it without speaking with CW then cant another BD do the same? or maybe...

The basic Halacha is that both parties need to be in front of BD otherwise the BD cannot not deal with the case. There are some exceptions to this rule so one can't just automatically say the same would apply to another case without knowing the sugya properly.

[aygart]

Until then the public has a right to doubt that things went beyond eshes ish and deal with his books accordingly. That doesn’t mean I believe he is clearly innocent of molestation, only that I don’t think a reliable source has spoken.

As of now the last we heard from Bnei Brak Rabbonim about his books was to remove them until an investigation is completed. Did something change from that?

[joe1234]

The basic Halacha is that both parties need to be in front of BD otherwise the BD cannot not deal with the case. There are some exceptions to this rule so one can't just automatically say the same would apply to another case without knowing the sugya properly.

thats why im saying that something can still be done now although to a limited capacity... for example if the evidence is overwhelming they can put out a statement that CW failed to prove his innocence and therefore there is a strong reason to be choshesh and therefore not read his books. at this point its very apparent that most people will not be reading his books either way, but there still is a reason to put out such a statement...
i was just pointing out that people are quick to say that a BD cant pasken on CW now that he's dead but were totally fine when RSE did that...

[yuneeq]

if RSE can do it without speaking with CW then cant another BD do the same? or maybe...

RSE spoke to cw and invited him to BD, but cw turned him down.

[CountValentine]

convently you took my first example ,my second example was China or any other corrupt country even the US with epstein are you gonna tell me these countries are closed communities too?

You completely missed the point.

Take classes about sexual abuse, go to seminars about sexual abuse, listen to the experts in the field and then come back at tell me where predators will have the easiest time.

Do you really not understand this?

[joe1234]

RSE spoke to cw and invited him to BD, but cw turned him down.

CW felt that RSE would not give him due process, and was allowed to turn him down. CW has a right to go to a widely accepted BD. i believe that if not for RSE, and that if it would have been dealt the right way, CW would still be alive today and the evidence may have preserved... he mave have still committed suicide down the road, but the way it was dealt with definitely speeded the process IMO. the way RSE dealt with this single handedly smells like he was trying to forward his own publicity, as opposed to helping the victims...

[zh cohen]

I can only say that we have quite a lot of kids books in our home, we only had 2 CW books, both gifted to us, both cowritten. While I wish I could take credit, this is mostly because my wife has always found his books troubling, and while she is also not professionally educated in this field in any way, she is blessed with sound wisdom and intuition in this regard.

In case you need an endorsement, I spoke to a child psychologist who told me he was always uncomfortable with the books (based on a cursory review). Maybe not enough to tell people not to read them, but enough that he didn't have them for his kids.

[TimT]

CW felt that RSE would not give him due process,

Source ?

CW has a right to go to a widely accepted BD.

Did he ?

the way RSE dealt with this single handedly smells like he was trying to forward his own publicity, as opposed to helping the victims...

A B”D isn’t called “single-handedly” whether you like them or not.

You seem to know everything cw did & didn't do & why, & everything RSE did & didn't do & why. Are you personally involved ?

[Yehuda57]

We are apparently still stuck in this stupid zero-sum game mindset.

/Sarcastic

Who is playing this game? You've waxed eloquent numerous times with nary a word of compassion or empathy for cw's victims and victims of abuse in general. The very reporter called a murderer at cw's funeral said he understood cw's friend being maspid him and wasn't upset about it. Is it too much to ask that before you go on about how special a man cw was, you spare a word of support and compassion victims of abuse?