Chaim Walder dies

[dasmo801]

The basic Halacha is that both parties need to be in front of BD otherwise the BD cannot not deal with the case. There are some exceptions to this rule so one can't just automatically say the same would apply to another case without knowing the sugya properly.

I think the term בית דין is confusing some people. I may be mistaken but my understanding is that these kinds of fact finding investigations are not typical מעשי בית דין are not bound by the halachos that govern דיני ממונית type of פסקי בית דין.  The concept here is we use a BD as an independent fact finder for lack of any other means of conducting an investigation.

[PlatinumGuy]

A victim literally killed herself afterwords and you haven’t said a word about her. Is his blood redder than hers to you? You also have no idea if one or multiple others have as well.

There were rumors of another suicide attempt with the victim severely injured.

[yzj]

How do you feel that such books written by someone who manipulated multiple married women should be dealt with? What changes if it is children?

Night and day

[aygart]

Night and day

Explain how

[aygart]

thats why im saying that something can still be done now although to a limited capacity... for example if the evidence is overwhelming they can put out a statement that CW failed to prove his innocence and therefore there is a strong reason to be choshesh and therefore not read his books. at this point its very apparent that most people will not be reading his books either way, but there still is a reason to put out such a statement...
i was just pointing out that people are quick to say that a BD cant pasken on CW now that he's dead but were totally fine when RSE did that...

They already said not to read the books pending investigation.

[joe1234]

Source ?Did he ?A B”D isn’t called “single-handedly” whether you like them or not.

You seem to know everything cw did & didn't do & why, & everything RSE did & didn't do & why. Are you personally involved ?

1. don't have a source other than what is apparent to me by the what i heard that he was willing to go to another BD.
2. don't know, but from what i heard it seems like he was willing. i'm not believing this side blindly, i'm just being open to the other side as well...
3. according to what i believe that RSE is considered controversial and should have worked with another widely accepted BD, using his own BD exclusively is IMO considered single handedly. may not be the perfect term, but you get what i mean, hopefully...

i am not involved at all and don't know anything more than you. i'm just basing my opinion on what i hear.

[Happyguy]

I can only say that we have quite a lot of kids books in our home, we only had 2 CW books, both gifted to us, both cowritten. While I wish I could take credit, this is mostly because my wife has always found his books troubling, and while she is also not professionally educated in this field in any way, she is blessed with sound wisdom and intuition in this regard.

In case you need an endorsement, I spoke to a child psychologist who told me he was always uncomfortable with the books (based on a cursory review). Maybe not enough to tell people not to read them, but enough that he didn't have them for his kids.

Can anyone explain why? The content? The style?

[YitzyS]

IINM, he has a story in either Kids Speak 1 or Kids Speak 3 (don't remember offhand which) about a kid getting molested.

[Happyguy]

IINM, he has a story in either Kids Speak 1 or Kids Speak 3 (don't remember offhand which) about a kid getting molested.

Kids Speak 1. It speaks about it in a very vague way that a child reading won't understand what actually happened but written in a way that a average kid (judging from my own experience reading it when I was a kid) won't be left with questions as to what happened exactly. When the allegations came up against him around a month ago, I immediately remembered this story. My first reaction was to think he was innocent based on that image in my head portraying CW as a savior against these sort of behaviours.

[Euclid]

Kids Speak 1. It speaks about it in a very vague way that a child reading won't understand what actually happened but written in a way that a average kid (judging from my own experience reading it when I was a kid) won't be left with questions as to what happened exactly. When the allegations came up against him around a month ago, I immediately remembered this story. My first reaction was to think he was innocent based on that image in my head portraying CW as a savior against these sort of behaviours.

Which story was it? I'm not recalling it

[YitzyS]

Which story was it? I'm not recalling it

Don't remember the title. Basically a kid was asked by someone to help them carry something into a shul.

[Happyguy]

Which story was it? I'm not recalling it

A young girl who was regarded as a good student starts performing poorly in both grades and her social life. Her parents and teachers try to ask her about it but she doesn't tell them. They take her to a man who deals with kids who have issues (at the end of the story it is revealed that it is CW). He manges to get out of her that a stranger met her in the street and called her by her name so she assumes it's one of her fathers friends. He lures her into his house and that was very traumatic for her. CW gets the cops involved and she manages to identify this person. CW subsequently gives her a couple of therapy sessions.
She ends of the story saying, anyone who isnt comftarble about what someone says or does to you go to tel your Abba/Ima/Morah straight away.
Written purely from memory so might not be so accurate.
Its the last story of Kids Speak 1.

[WonderingYid]

Until then the public has a right to doubt that things went beyond eshes ish and deal with his books accordingly. That doesn’t mean I believe he is clearly innocent of molestation, only that I don’t think a reliable source has spoken.

So if he only abuses married woman that's fine?

[S209]

A young girl who was regarded as a good student starts performing poorly in both grades and her social life. Her parents and teachers try to ask her about it but she doesn't tell them. They take her to a man who deals with kids who have issues (at the end of the story it is revealed that it is CW). He manges to get out of her that a stranger met her in the street and called her by her name so she assumes it's one of her fathers friends. He lures her into his house and that was very traumatic for her. CW gets the cops involved and she manages to identify this person. CW subsequently gives her a couple of therapy sessions.
She ends of the story saying, anyone who isnt comftarble about what someone says or does to you go to tel your Abba/Ima/Morah straight away.
Written purely from memory so might not be so accurate.
Its the last story of Kids Speak 1.

And here, ladies and gentleman, is the reason you publicize these allegation.

If something bad happens to you, make sure you only confide in Abba, Ima, Morah, and Chaim Walder.

[S209]

In case you need an endorsement, I spoke to a child psychologist who told me he was always uncomfortable with the books (based on a cursory review). Maybe not enough to tell people not to read them, but enough that he didn't have them for his kids.

Disclaimer: I always enjoyed his books and would definitely (previously) allow my children to read them. HOWEVER,

I just heard from R' Elya Brudny that a certain respected and published mechaneches who is a relative of mine never allowed his books in her home. She said the books shmecked fun someone capitalizing on the misfortune of children.

[WonderingYid]

Disclaimer: I always enjoyed his books and would definitely (previously) allow my children to read them. HOWEVER,

I just heard from R' Elya Brudny that a certain respected and published mechaneches who is a relative of mine never allowed his books in her home. She said the books shmecked fun someone capitalizing on the misfortune of children.

Can we ask for names?

[M3B3LY]

[yzj]

So if he only abuses married woman that's fine?

Eishes ish is generally considered consensual even though most instances likely involve women in vulnerable emotional states. Wouldn’t buy his mussar sefer or give him an aliya until it is clear he changed his ways but it wouldn’t stop me from buying the books, any more than the many clean secular books my kids read from authors of dubious moral character to put it mildly.

A child predator is a sick individual, especially if the books were the vehicle used to commit atrocities against children and I would hear that people are repulsed enough to get rid of them. TBH I dont think I’ve ever read his books and the one or two stories told over from him sounded somewhat bizarre, I think I chalked it up to Israeli mentality at the time....

[aygart]

Eishes ish is generally considered consensual even though most instances likely involve women in vulnerable emotional states. Wouldn’t buy his mussar sefer or give him an aliya until it is clear he changed his ways but it wouldn’t stop me from buying the books, any more than the many clean secular books my kids read from authors of dubious moral character to put it mildly.

A child predator is a sick individual, especially if the books were the vehicle used to commit atrocities against children and I would hear that people are repulsed enough to get rid of them. TBH I dont think I’ve ever read his books and the one or two stories told over from him sounded somewhat bizarre, I think I chalked it up to Israeli mentality at the time....

They aren't novels

[lansky]

You completely missed the point. Do you really not understand this?

I actually don't,  explain to me why you picked only religious communities as a example