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I am a survivor of abuse

I tried to type up a longer, more detailed post but it got too hard. The bottom line is the following

There's no such thing as universal feelings, reactions, desires, needs that all victims share. Each one is an individual who suffered alone and carries the unique scars that stay with them and each one will react to future situations in life in their own way.

Therefore, there is no single response to abuse that will leave all victims feeling safe, secure, validated, supported, closure and everything else all the well meaning people here want to give them.

However, I think there is a single response that would leave all victims feeling further pain and trauma and that is "It can't be."

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2021, 02:16:20 PM »
How about the CliffsNotes?
Here's an extremely shortened version.

This guy has been in touch with Walder since the story broke, and he's basically saying that not only is he innocent, but he has a recording of 2 Rabbis conspiring to manufacture the story since Walder became too powerful. He even reached out to one of them and he couldn't give him a straight answer as to why he did it, but he didn't straight up deny it either.

Additionally, Walder took a lie detector test by a Shabak (similar to FBI in the US) technician and passed with flying colors, while no one on the "other side" of the story agreed to take the test.

He's basically saying that an innocent man is dead today thanks to a conspiracy by powerful people
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2021, 02:18:16 PM »
Here's an extremely shortened version.

This guy has been in touch with Walder since the story broke, and he's basically saying that not only is he innocent, but he has a recording of 2 Rabbis conspiring to manufacture the story since Walder became too powerful. He even reached out to one of them and he couldn't give him a straight answer as to why he did it, but he didn't straight up deny it either.

Additionally, Walder took a lie detector test by a Shabak (similar to FBI in the US) technician and passed with flying colors, while no one on the "other side" of the story agreed to take the test.

He's basically saying that an innocent man is dead today thanks to a conspiracy by powerful people
and did i understand right? He ended off saying "and someone gave him a gun and said either you shoot yourself or i or someone else will shoot you"?

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2021, 02:19:30 PM »
Even if those recordings are real and true, why does that preclude the possibility that CW did what was alleged?
There's no proof that he did it (at least not yet) other than complaints by victims, if the recording is real then the victims might not be real...
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Also, the fact that YS spoke to CW and didn't speak to any of the accusers automatically makes him biased.
He's obviously biased, the question is does his bias ring true or is it a load of BS? I can't imagine he'd publicly come out like this without any evidence at all
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2021, 02:20:37 PM »
and did i understand right? He ended off saying "and someone gave him a gun and said either you shoot yourself or i or someone else will shoot you"?
I think that was metaphorically
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2021, 02:21:14 PM »
and did i understand right? He ended off saying "and someone gave him a gun and said either you shoot yourself or i or someone else will shoot you"?
Yeah, he says that part very offhandedly-weird.

Though it is strange where he got a gun from - I doubt he's in the reserves.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2021, 02:21:50 PM »
I think that was metaphorically
yeah, that was what i wasn't sure about

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2021, 02:23:54 PM »
Though it is strange where he got a gun from - I doubt he's in the reserves.
The whole gun part of the story is weird, I guess he didn't want to end up like Meshi-Zahav
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2021, 02:24:37 PM »
The whole gun part of the story is weird, I guess he didn't want to end up like Meshi-Zahav
He uses a gun as a Mashal.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2021, 02:41:42 PM »
since Walder became too powerful.
What does that mean?

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2021, 02:44:45 PM »
I personally was never convinced one way or the other, but if YS has real evidence let him release it. A voice note is neither here nor there.
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Re: Chaim Walder RIP?
« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2021, 02:47:38 PM »
I agree with this conceptually, but I think that it may not get followed in practice. If you allow posts in one direction people may not realize that its only for positive and that negative comments are not permitted in the thread. I would think it would be clearer if the topic was just an announcement of who passed away with no editorializing one way or the other.

That thread has been going nicely (wrong term considering the subject, but you get my point) for over six and a half years. No need to make a bunch of new rules, it's pretty well understood.
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2021, 02:47:50 PM »
For the most part the thread works. Every now and then someone needs to trash the person in the thread. Just split it off.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2021, 02:51:00 PM »
I can't imagine he'd publicly come out like this without any evidence at all

Unfortunately it happens all the time.

Is he someone that has credibility that he would be scared to lose?

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2021, 02:52:41 PM »
Apparently Walder asked him not to and he promised him he won't, but now he's considering it.

Where did you hear this?

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2021, 02:53:22 PM »

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #55 on: December 27, 2021, 03:17:53 PM »
Where did you hear this?
From a family member that's in touch with him (take it however you want)
Is he someone that has credibility that he would be scared to lose?
Definitely
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #56 on: December 27, 2021, 03:23:47 PM »

VIN translated it.

https://vinnews.com/2021/12/27/in-suicide-note-chaim-walder-insists-he-is-innocent-summons-rabbis-to-a-din-torah-in-heaven/

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2021, 03:33:07 PM »
Very sad situation no matter your views.
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2021, 03:37:39 PM »
Very sad situation no matter your views.
Agreed. The sad reality with these cases is always the same. There is usually little to no proof, and the ramifications are always extremely grave on both sides. No matter how you spin it or handle it, lives are destroyed.
Memories last forever, make them while you can.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2021, 03:39:36 PM »
since Walder became too powerful.
Anyone wanna define this ? In what way was he too powerful ? There are plenty of far more powerful people in the media, politicians, askunim, etc..