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I am a survivor of abuse

I tried to type up a longer, more detailed post but it got too hard. The bottom line is the following

There's no such thing as universal feelings, reactions, desires, needs that all victims share. Each one is an individual who suffered alone and carries the unique scars that stay with them and each one will react to future situations in life in their own way.

Therefore, there is no single response to abuse that will leave all victims feeling safe, secure, validated, supported, closure and everything else all the well meaning people here want to give them.

However, I think there is a single response that would leave all victims feeling further pain and trauma and that is "It can't be."

Rabbi Shimon Russell - How to Safeguard and Protect our Children

https://youtu.be/fefqSvXf0JI


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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #60 on: December 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM »
I didn't follow the story closely. The 20 alleged victims have they come out publicly by now or all are anonymous?

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #61 on: December 27, 2021, 04:13:58 PM »
Anyone wanna define this ? In what way was he too powerful ? There are plenty of far more powerful people in the media, politicians, askunim, etc..
Assuming not going along with the radical frum agenda,the Eihdah put out a Kol kora against him in the summer

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #62 on: December 27, 2021, 04:21:52 PM »
Assuming not going along with the radical frum agenda,the Eihdah put out a Kol kora against him in the summer
There are plenty who don’t follow the agenda. What was the kol kora about ? (Some people wear a kol kora like a badge of honor. Helps business too)

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #63 on: December 27, 2021, 04:23:50 PM »
Assuming not going along with the radical frum agenda,the Eihdah put out a Kol kora against him in the summer
What was the Kol Koreh about? These allegations?



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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #64 on: December 27, 2021, 04:25:30 PM »
These allegations?
The Eidah ? Not a chance

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #65 on: December 27, 2021, 04:28:24 PM »
The whole story seems very fishy to me...

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #66 on: December 27, 2021, 04:31:04 PM »
https://we.tl/t-Tfr33PxHzY

Here's a recording of Yonasan Schwartz talking about this, assuming he's not lying (why would he?) then I hope he'll release what he has and perhaps clear an innocent person's name. I don't know if I'm hoping that he's saying the truth or that he's lying, at this point I'm not sure which version would be better :'(

P.S. Sorry to all the non Yiddish speakers
Who’s Yonasan Schwartz?

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #67 on: December 27, 2021, 04:32:11 PM »
I do believe that the books were sincere and their value is not diminished regardless of whether the allegations are true.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #68 on: December 27, 2021, 04:33:31 PM »
Can we wikify all the, dare I say, conspiracy theories on both sides?

I'm feeling a little dizzy...

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #69 on: December 27, 2021, 04:34:06 PM »
I do believe that the books were sincere and their value is not diminished regardless of whether the allegations are true.
If he used the books to get access to his victims...does that change anything?

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #70 on: December 27, 2021, 04:35:47 PM »
Rabbis conspiring to manufacture the story since _______ became too powerful.
...
He's basically saying that an innocent man is dead today thanks to a conspiracy by powerful people
direct quote from every single person accused of personal indiscretions.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #71 on: December 27, 2021, 04:35:55 PM »
Who’s Yonasan Schwartz?
A man of all trades. Has a toy store in BP, a badchan, has great stories & divrei torah pieces all over social media, is not afraid to speak out about anything or anyone he takes issue with.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #72 on: December 27, 2021, 04:37:01 PM »
If he used the books to get access to his victims...does that change anything?
Only if it somehow affected the content. If it was only the publicity from them then I don't see why it would affect the content.
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #73 on: December 27, 2021, 04:37:16 PM »
A man of all trades. Has a toy store in BP, a badchan, has great stories & divrei torah pieces all over social media, is not afraid to speak out about anything or anyone he takes issue with.
Name?

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #74 on: December 27, 2021, 04:39:05 PM »

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #75 on: December 27, 2021, 04:41:40 PM »
Haven't been following and this story is quite sad, but in general if there's 1 or 2 accusers about something like this, I think it's fair to have a healthy amount of skepticism and allowing that it may be a he-said vs she-said situation.

But when there are dozens of non-related accusers coming forward and their stories are checked out and are consistent? Are we really going to go with, they're probably all in this to ruin the life of XYZ because he's too popular or influential?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #76 on: December 27, 2021, 04:48:07 PM »
There are plenty who don’t follow the agenda. What was the kol kora about ?
Hashkafah apekorses etc. 
PS was just answering the question no opinion on the theory

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #77 on: December 27, 2021, 04:52:39 PM »
and their stories are checked out and are consistent?
Who has checked this out and verified? Besides the media...

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #79 on: December 27, 2021, 04:55:35 PM »
*דברים שאמר רבינו מרן הגרי"ג אדלשטיין שליט"א על הסיפור הטראגי •*


הבא על אשת איש יש לו חלק לעולם הבא. המלבין פני חבירו ברבים אין לו חלק לעולם הבא. גם אם עפ"י דין יש "למיחש מיבעי", אין בכך שום היתר ורמז להיתר לשפוך דם ולרצוח יהודי. פשיטא שזה נקרא שרצחו אותו ופשיטא שאין לרוצח חלק לעולם הבא. ברור לגמרי שהלחץ הגדול שלחצו אותו הביא אותו לידי חולי הנפש והרג את עצמו באונס. זה נקרא רציחה.