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I am a survivor of abuse

I tried to type up a longer, more detailed post but it got too hard. The bottom line is the following

There's no such thing as universal feelings, reactions, desires, needs that all victims share. Each one is an individual who suffered alone and carries the unique scars that stay with them and each one will react to future situations in life in their own way.

Therefore, there is no single response to abuse that will leave all victims feeling safe, secure, validated, supported, closure and everything else all the well meaning people here want to give them.

However, I think there is a single response that would leave all victims feeling further pain and trauma and that is "It can't be."

Rabbi Shimon Russell - How to Safeguard and Protect our Children

https://youtu.be/fefqSvXf0JI


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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #980 on: January 07, 2022, 02:52:00 PM »
100% - but using that to say that people should've been wiser etc. is not reasonable.
Granted. But where did you see anyone saying that?

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #981 on: January 07, 2022, 02:56:39 PM »
Granted. But where did you see anyone saying that?
Up thread

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #982 on: January 07, 2022, 03:46:21 PM »
The way I understood the point was that he wasn't a metzuyan - so how did he rise to such 'heights'?

Not such a fan of this claim. There are countless people who aren't cut out for the typical Yeshiva format, and are extremely good at what they do in other areas, including chinuch.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #983 on: January 07, 2022, 04:00:15 PM »
Not such a fan of this claim. There are countless people who aren't cut out for the typical Yeshiva format, and are extremely good at what they do in other areas, including chinuch.

I think I’m the particular circles that claim is made, the double whammy of dropping out at the age he did, plus joining the military would typically disqualify someone from any position of leadership or influence in the community.
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #984 on: January 08, 2022, 06:25:44 PM »
Not such a fan of this claim. There are countless people who aren't cut out for the typical Yeshiva format, and are extremely good at what they do in other areas, including chinuch.
R’ Chaim Shmuelevitz has a vort on the Gemara in Brachos that says Chana davened for a mediocre son, one who wouldn’t stand out for simplicity or genius. The Gemara subsequently says her tefillah was answered. R’ Chaim asks, how could Shmuel have been merely average when we know he attained such heights that he is compared to Moshe and Aharon (Moshe V’Aharon Bekohanov UShmuel Bkorei Shmo)? He answers that indeed Shmuel was average, and even an average person can reach the greatest heights imaginable through diligence and persistence.
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #985 on: January 08, 2022, 06:34:34 PM »
Not such a fan of this claim. There are countless people who aren't cut out for the typical Yeshiva format, and are extremely good at what they do in other areas, including chinuch.
R’ Chaim Shmuelevitz has a vort on the Gemara in Brachos that says Chana davened for a mediocre son, one who wouldn’t stand out for simplicity or genius. The Gemara subsequently says her tefillah was answered. R’ Chaim asks, how could Shmuel have been merely average when we know he attained such heights that he is compared to Moshe and Aharon (Moshe V’Aharon Bekohanov UShmuel Bkorei Shmo)? He answers that indeed Shmuel was average, and even an average person can reach the greatest heights imaginable through diligence and persistence.
You're both taking this out of context - he's not saying this is how it should be. But as AsherO pointed out, in the context of the way things work in the charedi community of BB, the combination of his background and the positions he attained were unusual.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #986 on: January 08, 2022, 08:19:33 PM »

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #987 on: January 08, 2022, 09:00:06 PM »
I heard another rov darshening this shabbos about this. They should collect all the speeches and print a book called 'rabbonim speak'.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #988 on: January 08, 2022, 10:24:45 PM »
https://www.ou.org/life/community/moving-forward/
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As Moshe Rabbeinu discovered in his first forays into communal life, while it may be easy to defend a Jew from an external aggressor, the opposite is true when Jews threaten each other. In those situations, voices will be raised that paint the aggressor as the victim, with biases and loyalties clouding what should be a clear sense of justice.

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #989 on: January 08, 2022, 11:05:36 PM »
I heard another rov darshening this shabbos about this. They should collect all the speeches and print a book called 'rabbonim speak'.

Did you really create an account just to post this?
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #990 on: January 08, 2022, 11:09:34 PM »
Did you really create an account just to post this?
I guess he felt it was a "greatone".

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #991 on: January 09, 2022, 07:23:21 AM »
“Gut voch. Last week, I tweeted a thread about , owner of a popular music production company in the NY area. I deleted the thread the next day. Why? Because one of his enablers tried to scare me.“

I’m here to tell you I’m not scared anymore

https://mobile.twitter.com/wordpaley/status/1479976609226661892?t=dtotI3MKoFSzk2IH1i__1g&s=19

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #992 on: January 09, 2022, 07:34:44 AM »
I know someone who served time (in Israel), and someone else who has been convicted (in Israel) but is appealing. In both cases, the acts (or alleged acts) took place many years ago. Their families have definitely suffered due to this. Neither of these people was a person of authority. In the second case that's being appealed the allegations are from family members (whom I don't know).

Just got the news that the person who was out on appeal is scheduled to begin a 6.5 year prison sentence in a week. After that was determined someone else came forward, saying that she is only coming forward now that the verdict is a done deal and her story won't make a difference.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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« Reply #993 on: January 09, 2022, 09:44:53 AM »
“Gut voch. Last week, I tweeted a thread about , owner of a popular music production company in the NY area. I deleted the thread the next day. Why? Because one of his enablers tried to scare me.“

I’m here to tell you I’m not scared anymore

https://mobile.twitter.com/wordpaley/status/1479976609226661892?t=dtotI3MKoFSzk2IH1i__1g&s=19
I knew since high school that Aaron Teitelbaum is considered a molester. Doesn’t everyone? This is common knowledge.

Never heard that recording, though. That’s pretty incriminating.
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #994 on: January 09, 2022, 09:48:19 AM »
So what are we going to do about it?
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #995 on: January 09, 2022, 09:58:32 AM »
So what are we going to do about it?

Maybe start with:

“Netanel Zellis-Paley
@wordpaley
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 Here is a list of singers who know about the recording and continue to work with him:

Mordechai Shapiro (
@MordyShapiro
)

Simcha Leiner (
@SimchaLeiner
; worked with him twice just last week)

Benny Friedman (
@BennysMusic
)

Beri Weber (
@BeriWeber
)

Shulem Lemmer (
@IamShulem
)

Shloime Daskal (
@DaskalShloime
)

Avraham Fried (yes, that one)

Eli Schwebel (yes, the one who did song with
@Amudim
 dedicated to abuse victims)

Moshe Tischler

Uri Davidi

Shimmy Markowitz

Duvid Feder

Yedidim Choir

Avi Perets

Yitz Henkin

Ohad Moskowitz

Shapiro and Leiner are probably in the top 3 most recognizable singers in the wider Orthodox community. They charge well upwards of 10K per wedding. And I’m almost certain the upcoming
@CampHASC
 concert, the “biggest event in Jewish music,”will feature at least one on that list.

If you want evidence they all continue to work with Teitelbaum, just go to his Instagram (
@aaronteitelbaum
). Every event he does he tags them and every other vendor he works with. There are a LOT of people complicit in covering up for his abuse. Including people on this website.


-The Jewish Link network of local newspapers (
@JLinkExpanded
) features a large Teitelbaum ad each week. They are aware of the recording and were given an opportunity to get more background on it. (It was opposite an editorial on Chaim Walder last week. Yuuuup.)“

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #996 on: January 09, 2022, 10:17:44 AM »
I knew since high school that Aaron Teitelbaum is considered a molester. Doesn’t everyone? This is common knowledge.
Can you elaborate ? Did something take place in your high school that was public knowledge ?

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Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #997 on: January 09, 2022, 10:26:07 AM »
Can you elaborate ? Did something take place in your high school that was public knowledge ?
I understood it as a time frame of how long it's been well known. But it's missing context because https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=119575.20

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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #998 on: January 09, 2022, 10:26:29 AM »
I knew since high school that Aaron Teitelbaum is considered a molester. Doesn’t everyone? This is common knowledge.

Never heard of him until today.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Chaim Walder dies
« Reply #999 on: January 09, 2022, 10:28:30 AM »
Keep in mind that it is perhaps בגדר קלא דלא פסיק ולחשש מיבעי
I would think one is not allowed to believe it as confirmed.