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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2021, 11:22:49 PM »
That ship has long sailed. You can ask why they didnít do it, but I doubt any amount of money spent on advertising would work. Though $1,000 cash would have people lined up around the block with rolled up sleeves, winter be d*mned

Bubbeh maasos. Headstart offered 1k to teachers and it didn't work

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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2021, 11:32:08 PM »
Bubbeh maasos. Headstart offered 1k to teachers and it didn't work

Offer it to everyone and itíll start to snowball, all you need it to start to build the momentum for shifting the groupthink
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2021, 08:29:34 AM »
The more government is involved the more distrust there is.

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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2021, 11:25:29 AM »
Bubbeh maasos. Headstart offered 1k to teachers and it didn't work
Is this true?
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2021, 11:36:42 AM »
Is this true?

A prominent school in Brooklyn I know of offered $1,000.
Nice portion of the staff got vaccinated but also got many fake vaccine cards for the $1,000 bonus

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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2021, 11:38:12 AM »
A prominent school in Brooklyn I know of offered $1,000.
Nice portion of the staff got vaccinated but also got many fake vaccine cards for the $1,000 bonus
A frum school?
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2021, 11:40:58 AM »
A prominent school in Brooklyn I know of offered $1,000.
Nice portion of the staff got vaccinated but also got many fake vaccine cards for the $1,000 bonus
The more money you offer the lower the chances I'll ever take it.

If I see the importance of taking it I will even pay to get it if I don't no money will make me take it

The money spent on bounties could be worth much more if spent in the actual detterents
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2021, 11:42:11 AM »
Is this true?

I should clarify, one of the schools with this program offered the cash to the teachers in that program. I don't know numbers, but FWIU very few, if any, took them up on it. Other government-funded early childhood programs lost many of their teachers due to mandates.

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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2021, 11:44:54 AM »
The more money you offer the lower the chances I'll ever take it.
Interesting, so youíre saying youíre completely irrational about vaccines? Even if you believe that the risk-reward ratio isnít strong enough to favor taking the vaccine, surely enough money would shift the equation.

Unless youíre so deep down the rabbit hole that you believe every lie ever told.
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2021, 11:49:02 AM »
Interesting, so youíre saying youíre completely irrational about vaccine?

How did you get that? He's saying the exact opposite. He's being purely rational and not allowing money to influence the decision

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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2021, 11:49:34 AM »
Interesting, so youíre saying youíre completely irrational about vaccines? Even if you believe that the risk-reward ratio isnít strong enough to favor taking the vaccine, surely enough money would shift the equation.

Unless youíre so deep down the rabbit hole that you believe every lie ever told.
I said what I said and I repeat money will not make me take it if I have any reason or justification to take it I will take it without money if I don't money won't convince me to take it.

And the point I'm trying to make is that if there is any campaign trying to change the mind of these people for most money won't do.

And by this I'm not even talking about the anti negative concerns such as side effects bla bla bla, I'm at a point where I have yet to see the benefits.

I live in Quebec and our restrictions are basically at square one, the 60+ population is 90% double jabbed and the rest are at 80%+ mask mandates never went away even for a day, our schools are closed, teleworking mandatory and the premier is said to close all dine in + impose a nightime curfew starting tomorrow.

If you travel out by plane or back to the country by any means you still need to provide a negative PCR test, and the officer can still quarantine you if he so wishes.

Public spaces still have capacity restrictions and for now restaurants and bars must close by 10pm (might change tomorrow as per above)

The shopping carts are still sanitized and it's still illegal (/s) to sneeze in public.
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2021, 12:03:28 PM »
If you believe the vaccine is probably dangerous then no money would influence you to take it

But if You think the vaccine has no benefit but has very very small chance of any consequence wouldn't people take it for a certain threshold of bonus.

Different people will eat 100 hot hot dogs for a different price
Some 18-year-old might do it for 250. 40-year-olds may need to get 5K

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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2021, 12:06:04 PM »
How did you get that? He's saying the exact opposite. He's being purely rational and not allowing money to influence the decision

I think he's saying that the money should be added to the "benefit" column, and at some price point would outweigh the (perceived) cost.

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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2021, 12:10:20 PM »
I said what I said and I repeat money will not make me take it if I have any reason or justification to take it I will take it without money if I don't money won't convince me to take it.

Interesting, so youíre saying youíre completely irrational about vaccines?

Exhibit A:
I'm not even talking about the anti negative concerns such as side effects bla bla bla, I'm at a point where I have yet to see the benefits.
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2021, 12:11:04 PM »
Exhibit A:
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Case closed lol

Isn't it the discussion here how we can convince the irrational to take it? Since all the rational people already took it
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2021, 12:11:37 PM »
In case you have a hard time understanding: youíre saying no amount of money will convince you to do something purely because you donít see a benefit in that action.

Thatís irrational.


Would you go to work if you didnít see a benefit in going to work, outside of the pay?
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2021, 12:12:20 PM »
In case you have a hard time understanding: youíre saying no amount of money will convince you to do something purely because you donít see a benefit in that action.

Thatís irrational.


Would you go to work if you didnít see a benefit in going to work, outside of the pay?
If I don't see a benefit all I see is ill intent
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2021, 12:13:17 PM »
If I don't see a benefit all I see is ill intent
Well, that explains things.
Interesting, so youíre saying youíre completely irrational about vaccines?

And another explainer:
If someone offers to pay you for something it doesnít signify ill intent, it signifies perceived benefit to the payer.

Would you go to work if your boss offered to pay you, or would you see ill intent?
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2021, 12:13:30 PM »
In case you have a hard time understanding: youíre saying no amount of money will convince you to do something purely because you donít see a benefit in that action.

Thatís irrational.


Would you go to work if you didnít see a benefit in going to work, outside of the pay?

If I needed the money for bread yes, otherwise I'd look for a job that offers me something more than just pay.
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Re: Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source
« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2021, 12:14:09 PM »
Well, that explains things.

Yup, if I'm not vaccinated at this point I must be irrational
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