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Re: False allegations
« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2022, 08:47:21 PM »
How many members engage in the daily back and forth JS topics? I'd think less than 25. I believe that they're all good G'd fearing people who keep the 613. (and the 7 Noahide laws, so I covered CV too :) )
I think I'm the only one that didn't go with the flow on this topic. And that was possibly directed at me. Thanks for the kind words 😊

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2022, 09:20:30 PM »
On some days I think as follows.

DDF has a huge following from the entire community.

Of course there are a number of actual abusers, adulterers, and pedophiles posting.

DDF has a huge following from the entire community.

Of course there are a number of actual survivors of childhood abuse and domestic violence posting and reading every word.

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2022, 09:22:18 PM »
I think I'm the only one that didn't go with the flow on this topic. And that was possibly directed at me. Thanks for the kind words 😊

You may not have been the only one, but there are not that many out could be referring to, so I found that post distasteful at best.
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Re: False allegations
« Reply #83 on: January 05, 2022, 09:57:13 PM »
And that was possibly directed at me.

The assumption that only those who have the wrong opinions on this can be abusers is part of the problem.

The is a decent chance that an abuser would create a public persona as an advocate for victims

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2022, 10:00:14 PM »
The assumption that only those who have the wrong opinions on this can be abusers is part of the problem.

The is a decent chance that an abuser would create a public persona as an advocate for victims

I think it's quite obvious what OP was saying, and it wasn't this
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Re: False allegations
« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2022, 10:14:36 PM »
On some days I think as follows.

DDF has a huge following from the entire community.

Of course there are a number of actual abusers, adulterers, and pedophiles posting.
Not sure if you are directing at someone, or just guessing theoretically, but you are proving the title of this thread 😉

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2022, 10:15:04 PM »
How many members engage in the daily back and forth JS topics? I'd think less than 25. I believe that they're all good G'd fearing people who keep the 613. (and the 7 Noahide laws, so I covered CV too :) )
10  ;)
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Re: False allegations
« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2022, 10:25:00 PM »
10  ;)
10 what?
10 members?
10 mitzvos?
10 Noahide laws?

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2022, 10:26:25 PM »
Not sure if you are directing at someone, or just guessing theoretically, but you are proving the title of this thread
How so?
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Re: False allegations
« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2022, 10:26:49 PM »
10 what?
10 members?
10 mitzvos?
10 Noahide laws?

;)
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Re: False allegations
« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2022, 10:32:45 PM »
I think it's quite obvious what OP was saying, and it wasn't this
I didnít understand it that way, and if so, I am being Mocheh for @VacationLover. It is completely uncalled for and their posts are reflective of the general prevailing mindset among most people win no reason to possibly suspect anything chĒv even if I strongly disagree.

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #91 on: January 05, 2022, 10:33:54 PM »
How so?
Either guessing that there must be C"V (language removed) people here without any bit of evidence.

Or even worse, if this was directed at someone, claiming they are (language removed) without any inkling bit of evidence etc. Shows the mentality of some to first accuse others. Throw out an abuse claim and then let the accused deal with it.

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #92 on: January 05, 2022, 10:46:20 PM »
Isn't that enough?! Imagine all this talk caused one life to be saved? But more, creating awareness and changing the dialogue means survivors reading threads like these, and hearing the discussions when they occur at Shabbos tables or in shul will be hearing a validating message of support. We'll be saving lives without even realizing.

If we stop serial abusers by empowering people to come forward with their allegations, even better!
You're bringing an example of cases where survivors were not believed. Upthread there was a link posted to one of the rabonim on the BD who heard testimony who said victims said it was the first time they were believed.

if all this talk saves even one life of course it's worth it!!!

My question was if there is anything more than "all this talk" that can be done or are we satisfied with talk alone

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #93 on: January 05, 2022, 10:56:00 PM »
Either guessing that there must be C"V (language removed) people here without any bit of evidence.

Or even worse, if this was directed at someone, claiming they are (language removed) without any inkling bit of evidence etc. Shows the mentality of some to first accuse others. Throw out an abuse claim and then let the accused deal with it.
I did not understand it to be directed at anyone and understood it to mean that statistically the should be.
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Re: False allegations
« Reply #94 on: January 05, 2022, 11:08:15 PM »


I hear but the context of that message didn't show that it's a statistic...


I hear what you are saying. That is just how I read it when I saw it. If not then it is disgusting and uncalled for.

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #95 on: January 06, 2022, 08:01:43 PM »
I am impressed with the letter by TU https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/2048831/torah-umesorah-remove-walder-books-reputable-dayanim-determine-allegations-to-be-facts.html

I am happy that they cared for those (like me) who wanted to hear that it was verified by more than the 1 BD...

The CW story is very sad and definitely brings great awareness  how on the highest levels (of education), you can't really trust. Unfortunately.

I also feel like they are the first (from what I saw) to confirm that the accusations were verified by reputable Dayonim. And I believe that this is the right thing for this high profile case.

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #96 on: January 06, 2022, 08:05:11 PM »
I am impressed with the letter by TU https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/2048831/torah-umesorah-remove-walder-books-reputable-dayanim-determine-allegations-to-be-facts.html

I am happy that they cared for those (like me) who wanted to hear that it was verified by more than the 1 BD...

The CW story is very sad and definitely brings great awareness  how on the highest levels (of education), you can't really trust. Unfortunately.

I also feel like they are the first (from what I saw) to confirm that the accusations were verified by reputable Dayonim. And I believe that this is the right thing for this high profile case.
Where do you see that the reputable dayanim weren't R Shmuel Eliyahu's?

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #97 on: January 06, 2022, 08:08:14 PM »
Where do you see that the reputable dayanim weren't R Shmuel Eliyahu's?
I trust and rely on TU, they are trustworthy. (And if they trust his BD so do I)

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #98 on: January 09, 2022, 11:50:19 PM »
Yes but this guy went and did it already. Too late.
In the future, is it ethical to go this route?

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Re: False allegations
« Reply #99 on: January 10, 2022, 12:18:51 AM »
In the future, is it ethical to go this route?
With a confession?

There will always be people without the same ethical standards around. The only way for it to possibly be out of their hands is to ensure there are ethical hands involved and actually doing something.
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