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One year in, what do you think actually happened that day?

A. False-flag operation by the "deep state" to take down Trump
2 (10%)
B. Maybe not a coordinated false-flag, but most of the agitators seem to be feds
3 (15%)
C. Preplanned insurrection by right-wing extremists
2 (10%)
D. Spontaneus riot motivated by Trump's call for violence
5 (25%)
E. Both C&D
6 (30%)
F. An attempt to overturn the fair and legal election of a US President
2 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: January 13, 2022, 12:48:51 AM

Author Topic: 1/6 Fedsurrection?  (Read 34714 times)

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #100 on: January 06, 2022, 10:28:26 PM »
There are a bunch of people who were arrested whose text messages clearly show this was a planned event with a very real goal.
There was a group (groups?) who planned to violently take over Congress and stop the certification. They weren't successful in the end goal, but they did succeed in violently breaching security, and we came within minutes (seconds) of perhaps having the vice president killed to achieve that goal. You are minimizing how much success they actually had.

FWIW,

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

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FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #101 on: January 06, 2022, 10:29:24 PM »
How did they end up in the Capitol? who facilitated that?
Eric Trump at the rally. Next question?  :)
“He has more fight in him than every other one combined, and they need to stand up and we need to march on the Capitol today. And we need to stand up for this country and stand up for what’s right,” he said.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #102 on: January 06, 2022, 10:40:38 PM »
I haven't been following this story in detail, and have no doubt much of the stuff that I've taken in has been exaggeration and hyperbole. What I have seen has been transcripts of text messages, not in context of finding out what happened, but in context of making fun of what absolute morons they were.

You won't need to convince me that those clowns weren't a grave threat to our democracy.

I think people can admit that Trump's rhetoric leading up to that day and the planned actions of a portion of his supporters are minimized for the same political reasons that left is embellishing them.

Bottom line, we did get some good comedy out of this, including whatever that Lin Manuel Miranda performance was, and Ted Cruz's pitiful groveling.


https://twitter.com/RoKhanna/status/1479280141545181187

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #103 on: January 06, 2022, 10:44:39 PM »
https://twitter.com/RoKhanna/status/1479280141545181187
I think what scares everyone is the what if. What if the VP was one who agreed with Trumps insanity?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #104 on: January 06, 2022, 10:59:08 PM »
Thanks for wasting my time.  >:(
To be fair, I did say what to expect there.

Can we at least agree that there were goalposts set here as to what a red flag here would be?

Should I assume you disagree with what he said?
If yes is it on his definition of false flag?
His "red flags" of a false flag?
The factually correctness (I'm sure there's a better word here) of applying his red flags of a false flag here?

please don't post Tuckers BS.
I actually don't have a clue what Tucker said about this.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #105 on: January 06, 2022, 10:59:20 PM »
I think what scares everyone is the what if. What if the VP was one who agreed with Trumps insanity?
If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a shopping cart.

I don't know the technicalities, and I don't know what the legal process would have been, but Trump would not have stopped anything. It wasn't particularly close. This thread is about the "insurrection" of lack thereof. It's not about the legal challenge to the election results. There were a handful of Republican lawmakers who weren't on board with the results. The overwhelming majority were not backing Trump's attempts.

In 2016 there were also a handful of Democrats who refused to certify the results, and you don't hear a peep about them. They did *exactly* the same thing. Stacey Abrahams still hasn't conceded her race.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #106 on: January 06, 2022, 11:04:55 PM »
To be fair, I did say what to expect there.

Can we at least agree that there were goalposts set here as to what a red flag here would be?

Should I assume you disagree with what he said?
If yes is it on his definition of false flag?
His "red flags" of a false flag?
The factually correctness (I'm sure there's a better word here) of applying his red flags of a false flag here?
I actually don't have a clue what Tucker said about this.
Everything he said is his opinion. His red flags for false flags can be correct or wrong. It is just his view.
If you are asking, is it possible, sure.
Can we see some evidence now?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #107 on: January 06, 2022, 11:09:39 PM »
Very surprising that 80% of respondents thus far are to the left of mainstream GOP messaging
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #108 on: January 06, 2022, 11:10:18 PM »
Very surprising that 80% of respondents thus far are to the left of mainstream GOP messaging

Lol

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #109 on: January 06, 2022, 11:11:44 PM »
If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a shopping cart.
Cute!!!

A kid is playing Russian Roulette with a gun. He pulls the trigger, and nothing happens. He then comes to his senses and puts the gun away. Let his whole family be united in celebrating he put the gun away.

I think what scares everyone is the what if. What if that first chamber had a bullet?

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #110 on: January 06, 2022, 11:13:29 PM »
Very surprising that 80% of respondents thus far are to the left of mainstream GOP messaging
Surprising part is 3 are buying this BS.
Still waiting for a shred of evidence.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #111 on: January 06, 2022, 11:15:16 PM »
I haven't been following this story in detail, ... What I have seen has been transcripts of text messages, not in context of finding out what happened, but in context of making fun of what absolute morons they were.
I'm just waiting for your post here once you see texts in the context of the-guy-at-the-other-end-of-these-texts-leading-the-morons-in-this-whole-thing-is-an-FBI-informant

(I'm not saying this is definitely the case, I haven't actually seen any of the texts, but I do think it's plausible based on other allegations I've seen.)

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #112 on: January 06, 2022, 11:17:32 PM »
(I'm not saying this is definitely the case, I haven't actually seen any of the texts, but I do think it's plausible based on other allegations I've seen.)
Are they state secrets?
Let's see them or is the source some nutcases?  :)
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #113 on: January 06, 2022, 11:22:07 PM »
I'm just waiting for your post here once you see texts in the context of the-guy-at-the-other-end-of-these-texts-leading-the-morons-in-this-whole-thing-is-an-FBI-informant

(I'm not saying this is definitely the case, I haven't actually seen any of the texts, but I do think it's plausible based on other allegations I've seen.)

If they were Feds, how weren't they stopped before they actually breached the Capital?

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #114 on: January 06, 2022, 11:23:28 PM »
Very surprising that 80% of respondents thus far are to the left of mainstream GOP messaging

AB and F are extreme conspiracy theories, the other three (CDE) lean left and have 67% of the total votes.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #115 on: January 06, 2022, 11:31:19 PM »
Everything he said is his opinion. His red flags for false flags can be correct or wrong. It is just his view.
Lol that's a cop out.



Can we see some evidence now?
Before we get to Ray Epps I'll start with this:
https://rumble.com/vn50ax-new-evidence-of-fbi-involvement-in-the-16-protest-with-darren-beattie-who-b.html

I haven't listened to this in a while and don't remember exactly how far the allegations here go. and you avoided committing to what exactly we're looking for evidence of, but I think they make a very solid case here that it's worth questioning what's actually going on.


IIRC should answer this at least somewhat
Are they state secrets?
Let's see them or is the source some nutcases?  :)
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #116 on: January 06, 2022, 11:37:11 PM »
Let's see them or is the source some nutcases?  :)

Nice “goalposts”, basically anything he’ll offer as proof you can write off as nutcases and say you called it.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #117 on: January 06, 2022, 11:40:56 PM »
Lol that's a cop out.
If you want to set someone up for one of your gotcha questions, try it on a 3 year old.  :)

Before we get to Ray Epps I'll start with this:
https://rumble.com/vn50ax-new-evidence-of-fbi-involvement-in-the-16-protest-with-darren-beattie-who-b.html
You have lost your mind. Know you expect me to listen to 1 1/2 hours?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #118 on: January 06, 2022, 11:42:13 PM »
Nice “goalposts”, basically anything he’ll offer as proof you can write off as nutcases and say you called it.
Maybe he has something from an FBI report. That isn't some nutcase.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #119 on: January 06, 2022, 11:44:21 PM »
AB and F are extreme conspiracy theories, the other three (CDE) lean left and have 67% of the total votes.
Correct, although B was meant to be only mildly conspiratorial although I should've worded it better. (maybe "many" or "some" instead of "most"?)
What you said is actually very close to what I had in mind for B.