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One year in, what do you think actually happened that day?

A. False-flag operation by the "deep state" to take down Trump
2 (10%)
B. Maybe not a coordinated false-flag, but most of the agitators seem to be feds
3 (15%)
C. Preplanned insurrection by right-wing extremists
2 (10%)
D. Spontaneus riot motivated by Trump's call for violence
5 (25%)
E. Both C&D
6 (30%)
F. An attempt to overturn the fair and legal election of a US President
2 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: January 13, 2022, 12:48:51 AM

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2022, 11:48:47 PM »
Maybe he has something from an FBI report. That isn't some nutcase.
Great idea, maybe someone should ask the FBI how may people they had on the ground then?
Hint: they did. The FBI won't say. (I wonder why)

BTW I need to say I'm not sure I agree with the second half of your statement

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #121 on: January 06, 2022, 11:51:16 PM »
Correct, although B was meant to be only mildly conspiratorial although I should've worded it better. (maybe "many" or "some" instead of "most"?)
What you said is actually very close to what I had in mind for B.

The options as you presented them leave very little space for people in the middle (a dying breed)
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #122 on: January 06, 2022, 11:51:54 PM »
Great idea, maybe someone should ask the FBI how may people they had on the ground then?
Hint: they did. The FBI won't say. (I wonder why)

BTW I need to say I'm not sure I agree with the second half of your statement
So when the FBI doesn't comment on an ongoing investigation that means they are hiding something?

Of course, you are not sure. When they support your position, they are great. When they don't, they are nutcases.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #123 on: January 06, 2022, 11:52:17 PM »
The options as you presented them leave very little space for people in the middle (a dying breed)
Nope, we just didn't vote.  :P
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #124 on: January 07, 2022, 12:01:39 AM »
You have lost your mind. Know you expect me to listen to 1 1/2 hours?
Put it on 1.75x ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #125 on: January 07, 2022, 12:06:53 AM »
The options as you presented them leave very little space for people in the middle (a dying breed)
What would be a good option for that?

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #126 on: January 07, 2022, 12:07:43 AM »
Put it on 1.75x ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is the fired nutcase Trump speech writer. Was he fired for being involved with racist?
Now I know why you don't want to release your sources you are using.  ::)
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #127 on: January 07, 2022, 12:32:43 AM »
This is the fired nutcase Trump speech writer. Was he fired for being involved with racist?
Pretty much all I know about him is what was said in this video.

Now I know why you don't want to release your sources you are using.  ::)
I wasn't hiding anything. It took a while because I was having 3 conversations at once and I tried to set some goalposts first.

Although yes, of course I knew this is what you would say but naturally forgot to lead with focus on the message not the messenger...

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #128 on: January 07, 2022, 12:52:56 AM »
Eric Trump at the rally. Next question?  :)
“He has more fight in him than every other one combined, and they need to stand up and we need to march on the Capitol today. And we need to stand up for this country and stand up for what’s right,” he said.
I asked how they ended up in, not at the Capitol.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #129 on: January 07, 2022, 12:58:27 AM »
Of course, you are not sure. When they support your position, they are great. When they don't, they are nutcases.
FWIW I forgot the emoji. That looks waaay more serious than how it was intended

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #130 on: January 07, 2022, 12:59:20 AM »
If they were Feds, how weren't they stopped before they actually breached the Capital?

That's exactly my question.

The answer is probably incompetence, but in light of the Whitmer "kidnapping" plot, I think there is a good chance that they wanted a bigger bust.

ETA: See the closing question from this article -https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-secret-commandos-shoot-kill-authority-were-capitol-1661330

If they were aware of a "sting operation" that might explain their precautions.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #131 on: January 07, 2022, 12:59:55 AM »

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #132 on: January 07, 2022, 01:04:14 AM »
If they were Feds, how weren't they stopped before they actually breached the Capital?
I know, it almost looks like "the powers that be" wanted there to be a breach of the Capitol...

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #133 on: January 07, 2022, 02:55:26 AM »
Ok, now for the fun stuff

I like this description I've seen of this article: "There is a little bit of hyperbole and opinion infused in the article, but if this does not convince you that January 6 was an orchestrated event, nothing will."
Personally I think there's a little more than just "a little hyperbole and opinion," as well as a fair bit of conjecture as well. But even after you strip that all away, just the facts seem pretty damning.
I'm not claiming this is definitive evidence of a deep state red flag, But I believe between everything I posted there's enough to pull it past the "crazy conspiracy theory without a shred of evidence" to something that a reasonable person can consider plausible.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #134 on: January 07, 2022, 09:19:06 AM »
You did a good job of laying out your conspiracy theory. Now all you need is evidence. Without evidence it is just another conspiracy theory.

Am I correct the smoking gun would be Ray Epps?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #135 on: January 07, 2022, 09:21:40 AM »
I asked how they ended up in, not at the Capitol.
So you understand why they went to the Capitol, correct? They were sent there by the people giving the speeches that day including Trumps son.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #136 on: January 07, 2022, 10:34:49 AM »


You did a good job of laying out your conspiracy theory. Now all you need is evidence. Without evidence it is just another conspiracy theory.

I'm not claiming definitively that there was any big conspiracy here, or that there's any smoking gun evidence.

I do believe I presented enough evidence that a reasonable person can find it plausible.

It may still be "just another conspiracy theory" but I wouldn't say it's completely crazy to believe or without a shred of evidence.


Am I correct the smoking gun would be Ray Epps?
I would say him and others would be the smoking gun of a suspicious fact pattern.

I believe a plausible and reasonable explanation of this fact pattern is that many of these people were feds/informants. (There may have been actual evidence of this with some of the Oath Keepers or Proud Boys, I don't remember offhand)
Where it goes from there, who knows. But as Barnes said, who had motive and profited from this?

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #137 on: January 07, 2022, 10:43:49 AM »
I do believe I presented enough evidence that a reasonable person can find it plausible.
No it is not plausible no matter how many times you say it. You need evidence for it to be plausible. What you mean is it is possible. Just like it is possible you will win the lottery today but not plausible.

I believe a plausible and reasonable explanation of this fact pattern is that many of these people were feds/informants.
No that is a conspiracy theory without evidence. You have yet to provide one shread of evidence they were feds/informants.

What is your view on the JFK assassination?  :)

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #138 on: January 07, 2022, 10:44:36 AM »
So you understand why they went to the Capitol, correct? They were sent there by the people giving the speeches that day including Trumps son.
I don't think anyone is denying this. Didn't Trump himself also say it?

The question is what were they "sent" to do?

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #139 on: January 07, 2022, 10:46:39 AM »
I don't think anyone is denying this. Didn't Trump himself also say it?

The question is what were they "sent" to do?
STOP THE STEAL!!!

Now Mr Plausible.  :)
Is it plausible for them to take that as meaning to go inside and stop the vote?
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