Poll

One year in, what do you think actually happened that day?

A. False-flag operation by the "deep state" to take down Trump
2 (10%)
B. Maybe not a coordinated false-flag, but most of the agitators seem to be feds
3 (15%)
C. Preplanned insurrection by right-wing extremists
2 (10%)
D. Spontaneus riot motivated by Trump's call for violence
5 (25%)
E. Both C&D
6 (30%)
F. An attempt to overturn the fair and legal election of a US President
2 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: January 13, 2022, 12:48:51 AM

Author Topic: 1/6 Fedsurrection?  (Read 32732 times)

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2022, 01:57:22 PM »
+100 I too, think AsherO is right.
Not sure why the OP didn't put this or a similar option on the poll, kinds reveals where they are coming from a bit.

LOL

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2022, 02:01:34 PM »
I kinda know the answer to this already, but I'll bite. Would you just as roundly condemn those that helped organize and incite the George Floyd riots? Bunch of crazy kids there too, and I'd wager more people killed as a result....
I will and have condemned all riots. You think anyone here knows who organized the GF riots? Show me the person who had the power the president had over his supporters and then I might agree with you.

Look, you believe Trump played no part in this is one thing. Trying to downplay this deadly attack on the capital is ludicrous.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #62 on: January 06, 2022, 03:27:27 PM »
Can we have the ability to change our vote?  Apparently I can't English in middle of the night.
I believe you should be able to
Option to delete is not there.
44/50, 46/63

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #63 on: January 06, 2022, 03:35:13 PM »
Apparently I can't English in middle of the night.

You apparently “can’t English” during the day either :P
« Last Edit: January 06, 2022, 07:26:23 PM by AsherO »
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #64 on: January 06, 2022, 03:39:22 PM »
people died

You keep repeating this lie, as if repetition will make it true. Only one person died as a result of the riot, and she was shot by capitol police.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #65 on: January 06, 2022, 03:47:25 PM »
You keep repeating this lie, as if repetition will make it true. Only one person died as a result of the riot, and she was shot by capitol police.
An officer also died. IIRC it has yet to be determined if it was in the line of duty.
Even if only one person was killed does that not make it a deadly riot?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2022, 03:53:33 PM »

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2022, 03:56:47 PM »
An officer also died. IIRC it has yet to be determined if it was in the line of duty.

You do not remember correctly.

Even if only one person was killed does that not make it a deadly riot?

Which is why I quoted you posting "people died" rather than the places where you wrote "deadly riot." But regardless, someone being killed by a cop is different than someone being killed by the rioters.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2022, 03:59:39 PM »
Can anyone figure out why, after the immense resources invested into this investigation, we still know nothing about the person who planted two pipe bombs that day?

You'd think investigating that would be a higher priority than confiscating a pocket constitution from an old couple in Alaska that did nothing wrong...

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2022, 04:07:27 PM »
Can anyone figure out why, after the immense resources invested into this investigation, we still know nothing about the person who planted two pipe bombs that day?

You'd think investigating that would be a higher priority than confiscating a pocket constitution from an old couple in Alaska that did nothing wrong...

Who says it isn't a priority? They have nothing to go on. They are investigating "the gait of the perpetrator". That's .... not much

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2022, 04:10:47 PM »
You do not remember correctly.
So it has been decided he didn't die in the line of duty? You have a link?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2022, 04:12:42 PM »
You'd think investigating that would be a higher priority than confiscating a pocket constitution from an old couple in Alaska that did nothing wrong...
Here you go again like others in the thread. Downplaying this deadly attack on our Capital by "TRUMP" supporters.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #72 on: January 06, 2022, 05:30:50 PM »
We are blaming the media, but they are just following some of the R's talking points.
Cruz: “We are approaching a solemn anniversary this week,” he said. “And it is an anniversary of a violent terrorist attack on the Capitol where we saw the men and women of law enforcement demonstrate incredible courage, incredible bravery, risk their lives to defend the men and women who serve in this Capitol.”
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #73 on: January 06, 2022, 05:32:28 PM »
Can anyone figure out why, after the immense resources invested into this investigation, we still know nothing about the person who planted two pipe bombs that day?

You'd think investigating that would be a higher priority than confiscating a pocket constitution from an old couple in Alaska that did nothing wrong...
Or why isnt ray epps arrested

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #74 on: January 06, 2022, 05:57:30 PM »
Naturally as soon as this thread starts heating up I get hit with one of those "we need it yesterday" things for work

Incitement doesn't mean you have to suggest a specific behavior and certainly doesn't have to be "a call for violence". Trump could have incited (or provoked, if you prefer) violent actions even if he didn't say anything close to "take up arms and take over Congress". Perhaps:
D. Spontaneous riot motivated by Trump's inciteful rhetoric
I should add that option, although I put what I did because FWIU the Democrat claim was basically that Trump Directly called for it.

H: A version of @AsherO's option
How would you word it?

I'm not really sure what F is. Wouldn't that be included in most of the others, just a question of if it was planned or spontaneous, etc?
1. The others basically assume that almost everyone was there just to make noise, support Trump etc. this is saying that they were actually trying to / thought they would forcibly change something. I guess there is some amount of overlap between this and D.
2. Emphasis on "fair & legal" but that's a whole nother argument that I probably shouldn't have mixed in here


Does anyone not believe this was an attempt to overthrow the election results?
an attempt by who?

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2022, 05:59:03 PM »
Or why isnt ray epps arrested
Can you give us background. Is this the guy the right is claiming is an FBI agent or asset?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2022, 06:01:12 PM »
an attempt by who?
Was there someone else besides those "TRUMP" supporters that stormed the capital that resulted in death and destruction?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2022, 06:21:23 PM »
There are a bunch of people who were arrested whose text messages clearly show this was a planned event with a very real goal.
Were these people part of organized groups?
Was everyone who was part of those text messages arrested? How about the leaders of the groups?
How many members of these groups were federal agents or informants?


I think AsherO is very very wrong.  :P

"At noon, Trump begins speaking to his supporters at a rally near the White House.

""We will never give up. We will never concede," Trump tells the cheering crowd.

"He calls on Vice President Mike Pence — as the president of the Senate — to reject Biden's win and send the votes back to the states.

""Mike Pence, I hope you're going to stand up for the good of our Constitution and for the good of our country," Trump says. "And if you're not, I'm going to be very disappointed in you."

"And even before Trump ends his speech, crowds from his rally start to gather outside the U.S. Capitol."

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1069977469/a-timeline-of-how-the-jan-6-attack-unfolded-including-who-said-what-and-when
What time was the perimeter fence first breached and where does it fit in this timeline?


There was a group (groups?) who planned to violently take over Congress and stop the certification. They weren't successful in the end goal, but they did succeed in violently breaching security, and we came within minutes (seconds) of perhaps having the vice president killed to achieve that goal. You are minimizing how much success they actually had. Our country's most high-ranking lawmakers were in hiding, under very real threat, and they had their offices ransacked.

Of course, most of the crowd that entered the Capital had no such violent intentions, but some did, and not sufficiently acknowledging that is just as distorted as media hyperbole.
that sounds to me like, "why are you focusing on defending the (tens of?) thousands of innocents instead of singling out and denouncing the few crazies "we" lumped them with?"

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2022, 06:31:33 PM »
Can you give us background. Is this the guy the right is claiming is an FBI agent or asset?
I was planning on going in order through the posts but this caught my eye and is just too much.

How can you definitively say
false flag conspiracy without a thread of evidence.
and yet not know who Ray Epps is?

(I'm not saying it's necessarily true or not, but you're saying it's not true without knowing what your denying.)
And then you accuse everyone else of being kool-aid drinkers...


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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2022, 06:48:50 PM »
I was planning on going in order through the posts but this caught my eye and is just too much.

How can you definitively say and yet not know who Ray Epps is?

(I'm not saying it's necessarily true or not, but you're saying it's not true without knowing what your denying.)
And then you accuse everyone else of being kool-aid drinkers...
Wait a minute. If it is not true, then everything I said was accurate. Now if the claim is he is an FBI agent/asset then where is the evidence? I am open to anything, but you need to back it up.
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