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One year in, what do you think actually happened that day?

A. False-flag operation by the "deep state" to take down Trump
2 (10%)
B. Maybe not a coordinated false-flag, but most of the agitators seem to be feds
3 (15%)
C. Preplanned insurrection by right-wing extremists
2 (10%)
D. Spontaneus riot motivated by Trump's call for violence
5 (25%)
E. Both C&D
6 (30%)
F. An attempt to overturn the fair and legal election of a US President
2 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: January 13, 2022, 12:48:51 AM

Author Topic: 1/6 Fedsurrection?  (Read 29198 times)

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #160 on: January 07, 2022, 03:21:34 PM »
Right, I forgot. Only Trump did.
No I don't think Trump ever said that either.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #161 on: January 07, 2022, 03:28:56 PM »


Ok I just watched your link again ... I did not see him remove any barriers.
I never said he did. That article is not only about him.




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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #162 on: January 07, 2022, 03:40:21 PM »
I never said he did. That article is not only about him.
Sorry got you conspiracy theorist mixed up in this thread.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #163 on: January 07, 2022, 03:45:08 PM »
Lets break down the nonsense in A & B.
 
A. False-flag operation by the "deep state" to take down Trump
Trump lost the election. The vote was to certify that. It makes no sense that stopping the vote benefited anyone who wanted to take down Trump - DEBUNKED!!!

 B. Maybe not a coordinated false-flag, but most of the agitators seem to be feds
ZERO proof even one of the agitators let alone most were feds. - DEBUNKED!!!
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #164 on: January 07, 2022, 03:58:02 PM »
Lets break down the nonsense in A & B.
 
A. False-flag operation by the "deep state" to take down Trump
Trump lost the election. The vote was to certify that. It makes no sense that stopping the vote benefited anyone who wanted to take down Trump - DEBUNKED!!!

 B. Maybe not a coordinated false-flag, but most of the agitators seem to be feds
ZERO proof even one of the agitators let alone most were feds. - DEBUNKED!!!

Nice start, now please keep going and break down the nonsense in the remaining four optionsÖ
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #165 on: January 07, 2022, 04:03:40 PM »
Nice start, now please keep going and break down the nonsense in the remaining four optionsÖ
I will give you the honor.  :)
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #166 on: January 07, 2022, 04:09:04 PM »
Lets break down the nonsense in A & B.
 
A. False-flag operation by the "deep state" to take down Trump
Trump lost the election. The vote was to certify that. It makes no sense that stopping the vote benefited anyone who wanted to take down Trump - DEBUNKED!!!

1 - yes, these events certainly did discredit Trump.
2 - The vote was delayed, not stopped and everyone knew that is what would happen (in spite of the "zip-ties" conspiracy that the media spread.

B. Maybe not a coordinated false-flag, but most of the agitators seem to be feds
ZERO proof even one of the agitators let alone most were feds. - DEBUNKED!!!

You seem to have missed the words "seemed to be." No one said they have proof, just like no one had proof that the FBI was spying on a member of the Trump campaign based on lies paid for by the Clinton campaign (until they did have proof...).

ETA: We should bookmark this thread for when the argument changes to "of course the FBI had people there, it would be irresponsible for them not to" like it did on the Russia thing.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #167 on: January 07, 2022, 04:12:56 PM »
You seem to have missed the words "seemed to be."
Jews seem to be guilty of blood libel.
Jews seem to control the media.
Jews seem to be exterminating the Palestine's.
I can give 1000+ more seems to be.
You know of insane this sounds?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #168 on: January 08, 2022, 06:43:15 PM »
Jews seem to be guilty of blood libel.
Jews seem to control the media.
Jews seem to be exterminating the Palestine's.

I know you like play-acting the anti-Semite on here, so I'm going to ignore this.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #169 on: January 08, 2022, 10:55:42 PM »

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #170 on: January 11, 2022, 06:04:34 PM »
Quote
Sen. Ted Cruz: I want to turn to the FBI. How many FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the events of January 6th?

(FBI Representative) SANBORN: Sir, Iím sure you can appreciate that I canít go into the specifics of sources and methods.

CRUZ: Did any FBI agents or confidential informants actively participate in the events of January 6th? Yes or no?

SANBORN: Sir, I canít. I canít answer that.

CRUZ: Did any FBI agents or confidential informants commit crimes of violence on January 6th?

SANBORN: I canít answer that, sir.

CRUZ: Did any FBI agents or FBI informants actively encourage and incite crimes of violence on January 6th?

SANBORN: Sir, I canít answer that.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #171 on: January 11, 2022, 07:06:06 PM »

Did you really expect him to answer that?

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #172 on: January 11, 2022, 07:21:12 PM »
Did you really expect her to answer that?

FTFY

If it was a crazy conspiracy theory, as some here have suggested, then yes.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #173 on: January 11, 2022, 07:25:46 PM »
FTFY

If it was a crazy conspiracy theory, as some here have suggested, then yes.
Really? Since when do security agencies ever confirm deny anything?

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #174 on: January 11, 2022, 07:59:05 PM »
Did you really expect him to answer that?
Congressional hearings are almost always  entirely theater
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #175 on: January 11, 2022, 08:20:48 PM »
Congressional hearings are almost always  entirely theater
Exactly.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #176 on: January 11, 2022, 10:43:33 PM »
CNN: Man accused by January 6 truthers of being FBI infiltrator denies claim in interview with House select committee.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/politics/january-6-ray-epps-fbi-false-flag/index.html
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #177 on: January 12, 2022, 12:43:43 AM »
It's a conspiracy theory to suggest that the FBI had assets who participated in the riot!!!11!!!


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/25/us/politics/capitol-riot-fbi-informant.html

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #178 on: January 12, 2022, 08:28:15 AM »
It's a conspiracy theory to suggest that the FBI had assets who participated in the riot!!!11!!!


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/25/us/politics/capitol-riot-fbi-informant.html

This has nothing to do with the conspiracy theories some have posted and your presentation of it here is dishonest.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #179 on: January 13, 2022, 12:16:33 AM »
I like to keep away for a few days every now and then so I can pretend I have a life outside of DDF


DEBUNKED!!!

DEBUNKED!!!
LOL, not even close.

It makes no sense that stopping the vote benefited anyone who wanted to take down Trump
With A, the fact of the matter is there was zero chance that there was any way this ended with Trump remaining on as President, and everyone who gained from it was on the anti-Trump or "deep state" side of things. Trump was hurt big time by this.

Remember, being a false-flag doesn't need to mean you had a bunch of guys like McCabe, Clapper & Brennan sitting around hatching a plot to take down Trump, it could mean that some individuals (or multiple ones independent of each other) in position to know about and prevent it from happening, instead looked the other way and/or helped it along, knowing that they would gain from it. For example, some bad actors at the FBI could have downplayed/suppressed advance knowledge of the risk, knowing this would give them the excuse they need to establish their new domestic terror division at the FBI. Meanwhile others could have looked the other way wanting leverage over Trump in his final weeks...

Considering everything we've seen over the last five years from the justice dept and intel community it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if something like this turned out to be true.

I never claimed definitively this is what happened, but lack of proof =/= "DEBUNKED!!!"

ZERO proof even one of the agitators let alone most were feds. - DEBUNKED!!!
So now we went from zero evidence to zero proof? Mr. Goalposts indeed...

As for evidence, you mean other than there being a bunch of guys who suspiciously were not charged and/or investigated?

And sorry but that Ray Epps denial thing is laughable. When they're under oath in congress nobody will deny anything, but what we do get is a statement by "a spokesman for the committee" That Epps told them he's not a fed/informant. Yeah I'm totally convinced now.

Also, IIRC there were confirmed fed/informant participants but I don't remember offhand if any of those could clearly be called instigators, one of these I'll go back and check.