Poll

One year in, what do you think actually happened that day?

A. False-flag operation by the "deep state" to take down Trump
2 (10%)
B. Maybe not a coordinated false-flag, but most of the agitators seem to be feds
3 (15%)
C. Preplanned insurrection by right-wing extremists
2 (10%)
D. Spontaneus riot motivated by Trump's call for violence
5 (25%)
E. Both C&D
6 (30%)
F. An attempt to overturn the fair and legal election of a US President
2 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: January 13, 2022, 12:48:51 AM

Author Topic: 1/6 Fedsurrection?  (Read 29207 times)

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #340 on: March 09, 2023, 02:44:54 PM »
It happened. I am not ignoring any of it. Some people got caught up in the moment. They were stupid for doing it and now are paying a high price for it. 
But if you make them pay a high price for basically nothing, you risk them being treated as martyrs, which was the point on the substack.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #341 on: March 09, 2023, 02:54:45 PM »
But if you make them pay a high price for basically nothing, you risk them being treated as martyrs, which was the point on the substack.
You keep trying to make what happened as basically nothing. They participated in a mob action that resulted in numerous people getting injured, killed and dying as a result.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #342 on: March 09, 2023, 02:59:19 PM »
You keep trying to make what happened as basically nothing. They participated in a mob action that resulted in numerous people getting injured, killed and dying as a result.
For those people who didn't do anything major! If they did so much as raise a fist they'd have been charged with violent felonies! But they weren't!

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #343 on: March 09, 2023, 03:02:01 PM »
For those people who didn't do anything major!
You just don't get it. Participating in the mob action is MAJOR. I would kick my sons *ss if he participated.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #344 on: March 09, 2023, 03:36:57 PM »
You just don't get it. Participating in the mob action is MAJOR. I would kick my sons *ss if he participated.

I'm sure you said the same about the BLM riots? Perhaps TimT can find it, but I seem to remember you saying that those who protested  peacefully should not be punished because of the minority who rioted.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #345 on: March 09, 2023, 03:43:02 PM »
I'm sure you said the same about the BLM riots? Perhaps TimT can find it, but I seem to remember you saying that those who protested  peacefully should not be punished because of the minority who rioted.
The people at Trumps rally were not prosecuted (peaceful protest). Those who marched on the capital were not prosecuted (peaceful protest). Those that stormed the capital (THUGS!!!) that resulted in injuries and deaths were prosecuted.

You can make it about politics all you want but it doesn't change the facts.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #346 on: March 09, 2023, 04:35:44 PM »
The people at Trumps rally were not prosecuted (peaceful protest). Those who marched on the capital were not prosecuted (peaceful protest). Those that stormed the capital (THUGS!!!) that resulted in injuries and deaths were prosecuted.

You can make it about politics all you want but it doesn't change the facts.

Please define "stormed." Is walking through an open door considered "storming"? What about if there are police standing right there who allow you in?

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #347 on: March 09, 2023, 05:23:10 PM »
Please define "stormed." Is walking through an open door considered "storming"? What about if there are police standing right there who allow you in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt_dYiOmwUw
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #349 on: March 09, 2023, 05:33:54 PM »

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #350 on: March 09, 2023, 05:40:38 PM »
D you know what they threatened him if he did otherwise,
Did he tell the judge that? That is one of the questions they ask you before the plea is accepted.
He wasn't threatened.
...does he deserve 4 yrs?
What is the sentencing guidelines?
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #351 on: March 09, 2023, 06:07:05 PM »
The guy pleads guilty. End of story!!!


That is not how our legal system works and thankfully so! It may or may not be relevant to this idiot.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #352 on: March 09, 2023, 08:17:56 PM »
Did he tell the judge that? That is one of the questions they ask you before the plea is accepted.
He wasn't threatened. What is the sentencing guidelines?
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I envy your ignorance of our "justice" system.

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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #353 on: March 09, 2023, 08:27:01 PM »
I envy your ignorance of our "justice" system.
Which part? @ellemeno

(2) Ensuring That a Plea Is Voluntary. Before accepting a plea of guilty or nolo contendere, the court must address the defendant personally in open court and determine that the plea is voluntary and did not result from force, threats, or promises (other than promises in a plea agreement).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_11

I have personally witnessed two federal plea agreements, and this was done in both cases.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #354 on: March 09, 2023, 10:58:31 PM »
Or the book thrown at Timothy Louis Hale-Cusanelli, who got 48 months for this string of charges at trial, which doesn't appear to include any violent acts:
You don’t want to be defending this guy. Not a great look.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #355 on: March 09, 2023, 11:07:05 PM »
You don’t want to be defending this guy. Not a great look.
Why not, because he said “I did not realize that Congress met in the Capitol”?

He thought the National Socialist Party of America met there.  :P
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #356 on: March 09, 2023, 11:13:04 PM »
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #357 on: March 09, 2023, 11:16:26 PM »
Pleading guilty is sometimes the smart move even if you believe you’re innocent.
I disagree.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #358 on: March 09, 2023, 11:32:34 PM »
I disagree.
I am close with a case where the fellow pleaded guilty and got probation to avoid facing 5+ years in prison at trial. There is reason to believe he was innocent although I cannot know for sure. He says the hardest part was signing (what he claims was) an outright lie that he did the deed of which they accused him.
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Re: 1/6 Fedsurrection?
« Reply #359 on: March 10, 2023, 12:18:36 AM »
What's thankfully so?
What part of the justice system am I ignorant of?
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