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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1400 on: August 31, 2014, 12:39:07 PM »
Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on August 31, 2014, 12:37:29 PM

To be fair I didn't PM your OR achas v'achas. I figured that anyone who really wants me to know something can PM me themselves
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1401 on: August 31, 2014, 12:39:56 PM »
Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on August 31, 2014, 12:38:51 PM
I am shocked religion has not been brought into this. Maybe some are actually learning the difference.  :)
If I wanted a religious answer I would ask my Rabbi. Right now I wanted to hear what people around there think of the issue.
When I have a practical shaila I don't turn to DDF :)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1402 on: August 31, 2014, 12:44:00 PM »
Quote from: etech0 on August 31, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
If I wanted a religious answer I would ask my Rabbi. Right now I wanted to hear what people around there think of the issue.
When I have a practical shaila I don't turn to DDF :)

Really?! :o

Cuz it seems like most people here do...
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1403 on: August 31, 2014, 12:46:08 PM »
Quote from: Moishebatchy on August 31, 2014, 12:44:00 PM
Really?! :o

Cuz it seems like most people here do...
Well I can't vouch for most people...
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1404 on: August 31, 2014, 12:47:48 PM »
Quote from: etech0 on August 31, 2014, 12:46:08 PM
Well I can't vouch for most people...

I can.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1405 on: August 31, 2014, 12:52:06 PM »
Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on August 31, 2014, 12:38:51 PM
I am shocked religion has not been brought into this. Maybe some are actually learning the difference.  :)
As I once said (can't find it to quote) anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

BTW, in halacha I am pretty sure it would not be called gilui sod
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1406 on: August 31, 2014, 01:15:58 PM »
Quote from: aygart on August 31, 2014, 12:52:06 PM
As I once said
Quote from: aygart on May 15, 2014, 10:17:49 AM
Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion
BTW, in halacha I am pretty sure it would not be called gilui sod
FTFY  ;)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1407 on: August 31, 2014, 01:28:40 PM »
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1408 on: August 31, 2014, 05:27:40 PM »
Is it ethical to make a new FFN to get the sign up bonus for the United card when if you used your old one they wouldn't give it to you (due to having the card in the last 24 months)?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1409 on: August 31, 2014, 05:31:42 PM »

Quote from: avadah on August 31, 2014, 05:27:40 PM
Is it ethical to make a new FFN to get the sign up bonus for the United card when if you used your old one they wouldn't give it to you (due to having the card in the last 24 months)?
Is it ethical to resign up for the Sapphire, when you know you'll get the bonus even though it's not 24 months?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1410 on: August 31, 2014, 05:43:19 PM »
Quote from: Super Speed on August 31, 2014, 05:31:42 PM
Is it ethical to resign up for the Sapphire, when you know you'll get the bonus even though it's not 24 months?
No comparison. The United card I'm intentionally making a new ffn to mislead them because they don't catch on. The CSP there's no ffn.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1411 on: August 31, 2014, 09:25:06 PM »
Quote from: avadah on August 31, 2014, 05:43:19 PM
No comparison. The United card I'm intentionally making a new ffn to mislead them because they don't catch on. The CSP there's no ffn.
+1. Chase has the ability to check when you last got the bonus.  In the United scenario, the applicant is trying to mislead chase /United
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1412 on: August 31, 2014, 09:50:29 PM »
I think Chase can definitely use your SSN to see that you've had the UA card before and gotten the bonus on it. At the same time, when I explained the SP situation to my Rav, he didn't think there was an issue at all since "if you're putting in the exact same application, it's the bank's responsibility to monitor who has had the bonus before", but when I described the UMPE situation and that you need to change the FFN, he said as classicly as a Rabbi can, "ehhhh".
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1413 on: August 31, 2014, 09:59:57 PM »
Quote from: @Yehuda on August 31, 2014, 09:50:29 PM
I think Chase can definitely use your SSN to see that you've had the UA card before and gotten the bonus on it. At the same time, when I explained the SP situation to my Rav, he didn't think there was an issue at all since "if you're putting in the exact same application, it's the bank's responsibility to monitor who has had the bonus before", but when I described the UMPE situation and that you need to change the FFN, he said as classicly as a Rabbi can, "ehhhh".
In my mind, it is also somewhat similar to Amazon payments, where you say goods and services...
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1414 on: August 31, 2014, 10:01:28 PM »
Quote from: bzuckerman59 on August 31, 2014, 09:59:57 PM
In my mind, it is also somewhat similar to Amazon payments, where you say goods and services...
Yeah but that can be justified in my mind. Account B is providing a service to Account A by receiving its money and paying off its cc bill. Service is a very loose term.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1415 on: August 31, 2014, 10:05:22 PM »
Quote from: @Yehuda on August 31, 2014, 10:01:28 PM
Yeah but that can be justified in my mind. Account B is providing a service to Account A by receiving its money and paying off its cc bill. Service is a very loose term.
I personally have not done ap for a while because of this, but I think it could potentially be justified with the concept that it makes no difference to Amazon... They are probably asking because they have to
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1416 on: September 01, 2014, 01:14:15 AM »
I just moved into a new apartment and for about $1000 in cash tucked away in the bed frame. Should I return it?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1417 on: September 01, 2014, 01:16:00 AM »
Quote from: EMCC on September 01, 2014, 01:14:15 AM
I just moved into a new apartment and for about $1000 in cash tucked away in the bed frame. Should I return it?
NIIIICE...was the person who lived there before you elderly? it may not be from the last tenant...
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1418 on: September 01, 2014, 01:19:39 AM »
Quote from: ah on September 01, 2014, 01:16:00 AM
NIIIICE...was the person who lived there before you elderly? it may not be from the last tenant...
I dont know who lived here before.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1419 on: September 01, 2014, 01:23:21 AM »
Quote from: EMCC on September 01, 2014, 01:19:39 AM
I dont know who lived here before.
who would you be able to return it to? it seems chances of it getting to it's rightful owner are slim, I would say keep it, give some to charity, JMHO
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