Is It Ethical?

[Ergel]

What do you mean by legal. If the question is will you go to jail, the answer is it's not a criminal offense. It's a breach of contract. To my understanding there is much debate if a person is required to keep a contract legally, or if he can break it as long as he abides by the consequences of the contract. Either way it would not be ethical to break the contract

[avromie7]

What do you mean by legal. If the question is will you go to jail, the answer is it's not a criminal offense. It's a breach of contract. To my understanding there is much debate if a person is required to keep a contract legally, or if he can break it as long as he abides by the consequences of the contract. Either way it would not be ethical to break the contract

FWIU legally you are not required to keep these t&c and they would not be allowed to take away your miles if you sell, however they get away with it by saying that you never own the miles and they always belong to the airline so you have no way to go back to claim them

[lubaby]

FWIU legally you are not required to keep these t&c and they would not be allowed to take away your miles if you sell, however they get away with it by saying that you never own the miles and they always belong to the airline so you have no way to go back to claim them

In that case, is it ethical to sell someone something that doesn't belong to you?

[Aaaron]

That it is legal to sell miles.

I've never heard of such a ruling. Can you ask your Rov for a citation or where he heard about it?

[Ergel]

FWIU legally you are not required to keep these t&c and they would not be allowed to take away your miles if you sell,

Why?

however they get away with it by saying that you never own the miles and they always belong to the airline so you have no way to go back to claim them

And therefore what?

[avromie7]

Why?

Because the t&c are not legally binding

Why?And therefore what?

They get away with taking away miles thru an unrelated technicality that you never own the miles, not because you violated the t&c which is the reason you have no legal recourse if your miles are taken away even if you did not violate the t&c (like Rabbi Binyomin Ginsburg)

[Ergel]

Because the t&c are not legally binding

Why?

They get away with taking away miles thru an unrelated technicality that you never own the miles, not because you violated the t&c which is the reason you have no legal recourse if your miles are taken away even if you did not violate the t&c (like Rabbi Binyomin Ginsburg)

And therefore what?

[avromie7]

I'm not sure why and that is why I prefaced with FWIU

Even though they have a way to take away your miles doesn't mean you need to listen to their rules

[lunatic]

I've never heard of such a ruling. Can you ask your Rov for a citation or where he heard about it?

+1

[aygart]

If the miles belong to them then why do they issue 1099s when they give miles for reasons other than rebates?

[Cheesecake]

I've never heard of such a ruling. Can you ask your Rov for a citation or where he heard about it?

He heard it from a well known Choshen Mishpat dayan who spoke to a lawyer. I doubt I'd be able to trace it.

I Googled it at the time, and there was a lawsuit, but I couldn't find the verdict.

The miles buyers are quite public, and claim on their websites that it's legal, so I'm inclined to think it is.

[Ergel]

LOL

[Cheesecake]

There was a lawsuit -
Allison Haas, et al v. Delta Air Lines Inc., United States District Court, Southern District of New York, Case No. 03 CV- 0589 - which apparently settled. IDK if this is what he was referring to.

[Cheesecake]

Is it ethical to make multiple accounts on jet.com to get $10-15 off your "first" order?

I think not.

[lunatic]

Is it ethical to make multiple accounts on jet.com to get $10-15 off your "first" order?

I think not.

Agreed,  though you could make for a spouse. Also,  how is this different than making new groupon or living social or Uber accounts

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Is it ethical to make multiple accounts on jet.com to get $10-15 off your "first" order?

I think not.

What about for different members of your family?

[Cheesecake]

Agreed,  though you could make for a spouse. Also,  how is this different than making new groupon or living social or Uber accounts

 Who says those are ethical? I'm not familiar with them, but if it's the same concept, I would say the same.

Why do you think a spouse is better?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Why do you think a spouse is better?

It would be her first order.

[Cheesecake]

What about for different members of your family?

If you shop as a family, probably unethical. Please convince me otherwise.

I used a $10 coupon, not knowing there was a $15 coupon available.

[Cheesecake]

It would be her first order.

But not the household's.