Is It Ethical?

[JTZ]

They didn't exactly have internet during WW2 times, but try this, for example.

A link to Ripley's Believe It or Not would carry wore weight. 

[churnbabychurn]

So you don't care the parents neglect put the child in danger?

I care very much. But it has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation.

Someone should call child protective services if there was neglect.

[David Smith]

A link to Ripley's Believe It or Not would carry wore weight. 

Lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201111/was-hitler-vegetarian-the-paradox-the-nazi-animal-protection-movement

[Aaaron]

I care very much. But it has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation.

Someone should call child protective services if there was neglect.

How is that even an argument? Who cares whether or not the parents were neglectful. How does it even come into this equation?

Of course it does.  This isn't a logical conversation; 99.999% of people agree that the child's life is infinitely more important.  (I've only seen one mention otherwise, and it was on this forum).  This is an emotional issue, where people are pissed that a child got into a situation - presumably by parental neglect - that caused the death of an endangered animal.

[churnbabychurn]

Of course it does.  This isn't a logical conversation; 99.999% of people agree that the child's life is infinitely more important.  (I've only seen one mention otherwise, and it was on this forum).  This is an emotional issue, where people are pissed that a child got into a situation - presumably by parental neglect - that caused the death of an endangered animal.

You following the news?

There is considerable outrage against the zoo for killing the beast. - popular sentiment is that the zoo should have caused additional risk to human life, in order to keep the beast alive. - this sentiment is diabolical

[Aaaron]

You following the news?

There is considerable outrage against the zoo for killing the beast. - popular sentiment is that the zoo should have caused additional risk to human life, in order to keep the beast alive. - this sentiment is diabolical

No, the sentiment I'm seeing is that people thought the gorilla was being protective, not threatening, or people assuming a tranq is instant.  I'm not seeing people say they should have let the kid die. 

[JTZ]

You following the news?

There is considerable outrage against the zoo for killing the beast. - popular sentiment is that the zoo should have caused additional risk to human life, in order to keep the beast alive. - this sentiment is diabolical

Maybe you should get your news from more than one source and you will be better informed on these issues. Popular sentiment is they should have tranquilized the animal instead of killing it. These people are just as misinformed as you are. 

[churnbabychurn]

Maybe you should get your news from more than one source and you will be better informed on these issues. Popular sentiment is they should have tranquilized the animal instead of killing it. These people are just as misinformed as you are. 

They are fully cognizant of the additional risk to the child life by using the tranquilizer.  They dont care! This is diabolical.

[Aaaron]

They are fully cognizant of the additional risk to the child life by using the tranquilizer.  They dont care! This is diabolical.

Links?  I have yet to see this callous indifference to human life that you're claiming is prevalent in the coverage. 

[grodnoking]

"He's so big that he could accidentally hurt that child, even if he didn't mean to. Consequently, he had to pay the price, no matter how fair or unfair everybody believes it is."

 "In April, a zoo keeper in Palm Beach, Florida, was attacked by a Malayan tiger, and the zoo chose to tranquilize the endangered cat. Keeper Stacey Konwiser, 38, was airlifted in critical condition to a hospital, where she later died of her injuries."

And its not like there was only 100 of thoese species left, there is 175,000

And they say the tranquilizer would have likely gotten the gorilla upset and I would have taken a half hour to knock it out.

They did the right thing.

[David Smith]

Someone next to me was listening to the Michael Savage's talk show. The man is quite sick, (and quite stupid sounding).

[Centro]

The stupid part is that it's even an argument.

[skyguy918]

Is it okay to buy an item from a store with great return policies (like BBB or Costco) just to test it out if the likelihood of keeping the item from that store is slim to none? ie even if you like it, you'll probably just return it and order it from somewhere cheaper.

[dealfinder85]

Is it okay to buy an item from a store with great return policies (like BBB or Costco) just to test it out if the likelihood of keeping the item from that store is slim to none? ie even if you like it, you'll probably just return it and order it from somewhere cheaper.

i could be off, but i would bet those stores would tell you up front yes, bc they figure once you take it home and start using it, theyll bet on you not returning it

[12HRS]

i could be off, but i would bet those stores would tell you up front yes, bc they figure once you take it home and start using it, theyll bet on you not returning it

i had the same thought. also would they be willing to price match?

[skyguy918]

i could be off, but i would bet those stores would tell you up front yes, bc they figure once you take it home and start using it, theyll bet on you not returning it

i had the same thought. also would they be willing to price match?

Let's take this particular scenario. I've been looking at a vaccuum that costs around $300 at BBB, which I defintiely wouldn't spend. But refurbs of it go on sale all the time for less than half of that (obviously not from BBB, but from various online retailers). Even at that price though I'm not sure I want it, so I'd want to test it first. BBB is not gonna price match the new from the refurb, and there's no way I'm keeping it for $300.

[churnbabychurn]

Links?  I have yet to see this callous indifference to human life that you're claiming is prevalent in the coverage.

Can you explain what 400k ppl are petitioning here? I can't figure it out

https://www.change.org/p/cincinnati-zoo-justice-for-harambe

[Ergel]

Did you read it? It clearly states the zoo made the correct decision

[churnbabychurn]

Did you read it? It clearly states the zoo made the correct decision

What do they want then??


". It is believed that the situation was caused by parental negligence and the zoo is not responsible for the child's injuries and possible trauma.We the undersigned want the parents to be held accountable for the lack of supervision and negligence that caused Harambe to lose his life. "


Gibberish to me

[David Smith]

What do they want then??


". It is believed that the situation was caused by parental negligence and the zoo is not responsible for the child's injuries and possible trauma.We the undersigned want the parents to be held accountable for the lack of supervision and negligence that caused Harambe to lose his life. "


Gibberish to me

Sounded like the mother wants to sue the zoo for negligence in making the barrier too low.