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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2180 on: May 31, 2016, 06:52:23 PM »
Can you explain what 400k ppl are petitioning here? I can't figure it out

https://www.change.org/p/cincinnati-zoo-justice-for-harambe
What part of this don't you understand? It is what I have said from the beginning.

We the undersigned want the parents to be held accountable for the lack of supervision and negligence that caused Harambe to lose his life. We the undersigned feel the child's safety is paramount in this situation.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2181 on: May 31, 2016, 07:09:59 PM »
What part of this don't you understand? It is what I have said from the beginning.

We the undersigned want the parents to be held accountable for the lack of supervision and negligence that caused Harambe to lose his life. We the undersigned feel the child's safety is paramount in this situation.
What exactly should their punishment be? Assuming you can prove they were negligent?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2182 on: May 31, 2016, 07:15:07 PM »
What part of this don't you understand? It is what I have said from the beginning.

We the undersigned want the parents to be held accountable for the lack of supervision and negligence that caused Harambe to lose his life. We the undersigned feel the child's safety is paramount in this situation.
It's about parent neglect? This has to be the most pathetic case of child neglect for them to pick up on. 

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2183 on: May 31, 2016, 07:25:05 PM »
What exactly should their punishment be? Assuming you can prove they were negligent?
It's about parent neglect? This has to be the most pathetic case of child neglect for them to pick up on. 
Do either of you have any children? I child almost dies and this is a pathetic case?

What should the punishment be for any parent that neglects their children? What should be done to a parent that leaves a child unattended in a car?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2184 on: May 31, 2016, 07:34:18 PM »
Do either of you have any children? I child almost dies and this is a pathetic case?

What should the punishment be for any parent that neglects their children? What should be done to a parent that leaves a child unattended in a car?
Since u seem to know the facts if thus case what did the parents do that was criminal neglect

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2185 on: May 31, 2016, 07:38:08 PM »
Since u seem to know the facts if thus case what did the parents do that was criminal neglect
What I know is I have kids. We had a yearly pass to the zoo which we used often. When they were 3/4 I would not leave them out of my sight for a second in crowded public places. This is parenting 101.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2186 on: May 31, 2016, 07:40:17 PM »
What I know is I have kids. We had a yearly pass to the zoo which we used often. When they were 3/4 I would not leave them out of my sight for a second in crowded public places. This is parenting 101.
If you have kids then yous should also know that you be a great parent and never leave them out of sight and something can still happen
Edit:see cbc quote below
Apologize for some of the language here but he says it perfectly
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2187 on: May 31, 2016, 07:45:21 PM »
"I wasn’t there. I don’t know if she was playing on her phone or if the kid just pulled one of those disappearing acts that no parent, no matter how much they helicopter, can control.

But that doesn’t stop the armchair parenting. The mother has faced a ton of scorn. She’s received death threats. People have said they should have shot the mother instead of the gorilla.

Anyone who raises children will know that they can disappear in an instant, because that’s what they do, even ones that normally don’t behave that way; "


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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2188 on: May 31, 2016, 07:49:02 PM »
If you have kids then yous should also know that you be a great parent and never leave them out of sight and something can still happen
http://www.bodyforwife.com/i-blinked-and-my-kids-disappeared/
Apologize for some of the language here but he says it perfectly
I think there is more to this story since it seems it happens often to this person.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2189 on: May 31, 2016, 07:51:30 PM »
"I wasn’t there. I don’t know if she was playing on her phone or if the kid just pulled one of those disappearing acts that no parent, no matter how much they helicopter, can control.

But that doesn’t stop the armchair parenting. The mother has faced a ton of scorn. She’s received death threats. People have said they should have shot the mother instead of the gorilla.

Anyone who raises children will know that they can disappear in an instant, because that’s what they do, even ones that normally don’t behave that way; "
Thank you
I think there is more to this story since it seems it happens often to this person.
You referring to the article I quoted or to the gorilla case?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2190 on: May 31, 2016, 07:53:26 PM »
You referring to the article I quoted or to the gorilla case?
The article. I wonder if it is even real.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2191 on: May 31, 2016, 07:54:08 PM »
The article. I wonder if it is even real.
Do you really have children?? They must be real angels

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2192 on: May 31, 2016, 07:58:09 PM »
Do you really have children?? They must be real angels
They are not angels at all.

Remember this all started when CBC made the claim that everyone was valuing the animals life over the child. That was and is not the case. I am pointing out the parent bears responsibility in this mess.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2193 on: May 31, 2016, 08:42:39 PM »
This argument is so silly,    are you people nuts?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2194 on: May 31, 2016, 09:00:49 PM »
This argument is so silly,    are you people nuts?
Yeah.. Very slow day

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2195 on: May 31, 2016, 09:49:03 PM »
What exactly should their punishment be? Assuming you can prove they were negligent?

The child did not in fact come to harm, so no criminal punishment is due. Just like if they had locked their kid in the car on a hot day and come back before he passed out - again, no criminal charges would be brought. However, there should be a civil suit and the parents should be liable to pay the zoo for its loss due to their negligence.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2196 on: May 31, 2016, 10:08:50 PM »
The child did not in fact come to harm, so no criminal punishment is due. Just like if they had locked their kid in the car on a hot day and come back before he passed out - again, no criminal charges would be brought. However, there should be a civil suit and the parents should be liable to pay the zoo for its loss due to their negligence.
I can guarantee you the zoo wants no part of the inside of the courtroom. Parental negligence or not, it doesn't change the fact that a child was able to enter the enclosure. That does not speak well of the zoo. If they sued the parents you can guarantee the parents would counter-sue.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2197 on: May 31, 2016, 10:30:29 PM »
Big difference between a kid running off in Disney and almost getting hit by a car
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2198 on: May 31, 2016, 11:13:28 PM »

They are not angels at all.

Remember this all started when CBC made the claim that everyone was valuing the animals life over the child. That was and is not the case. I am pointing out the parent bears responsibility in this mess.
I also thought like you that people were not valuing the gorilla life over the kids but read some of the comments on that article, let me know if you still feel that way.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2199 on: May 31, 2016, 11:23:57 PM »
Can you explain what 400k ppl are petitioning here? I can't figure it out

https://www.change.org/p/cincinnati-zoo-justice-for-harambe
Is this the same crowd who voted for Trump?