Is It Ethical?

[joe1234]

Is it ethical to disregard a voluntary travel quarantine? Travel is important but quarantine impractical.

Don’t disregard, just don’t volunteer...

[yungermanchik]

Is it ethical to disregard a voluntary travel quarantine? Travel is important but quarantine impractical.

If your question is because your wife feels uncomfortable with it, IMHO it's not worth it. Better go somewhere that's not in the quarantine ban. Like MA or PA.

[Sam Finkelstein]

It’s a specific destination so can’t really be helped.

[PlatinumGuy]

Very possibly against Halacha - על המזיק להרחיק את עצמו and breaking a democratic governments quarantine regulation would probably not be considered מהלך כדרכו.

If you have antibodies I think it's OK so long as you avoid crowded indoors spaces like shuls

I served 2 full 14 day quarantine periods.

[Sam Finkelstein]

Very possibly against Halacha - על המזיק להרחיק את עצמו and breaking a democratic governments quarantine regulation would probably not be considered מהלך כדרכו.

If you have antibodies I think it's OK so long as you avoid crowded indoors spaces like shuls

I served 2 full 14 day quarantine periods.

Thanks but I wasn’t asking for halachik advice here. That’s my LOR’s job.

The quarantine is voluntary but compliance is expected. I happen to have antibodies but my wife does not. Ridiculous we can’t be cleared with a test but I get they’re not 100% accurate.

[Ergel]

Thanks but I wasn’t asking for halachik advice here. That’s my LOR’s job.

The quarantine is voluntary but compliance is expected. I happen to have antibodies but my wife does not. Ridiculous we can’t be cleared with a test but I get they’re not 100% accurate.

I don't think it would be unethical if it's voluntary.
Test is meaningless, if you were infected yesterday, you would test negative today but positive a few days later

[Agoldsc1]

Is it ethical to use coupons intended for somebody else, or to manipulate coupons so as to provide a different benefit than intended? Does the value of the coupon matter?

Examples:
Store ABC sends a 10% off coupon to its credit card mailing list and the terms of the coupon state that it’s only intended for use by the recipients, yet the coupon works for everyone. Can it be used by non-credit card holders?
Store ABC has an 80% off coupon for employees only. Can non-employees use it?
Store ABC send out a “Save10” coupon open to everyone, but you figure out that “Save25” also works with greater savings. Is that permitted?
Store ABC send a one time use coupon for a discount, and you discover a way to manipulate the code so that it works multiple times. Is that allowed?

For the purposes of these questions, assume that the store wants the coupons to be used only as intended. Don’t say that the store is just happy to be making a sale, for that it’s part of a marketing plan.

If your answers differ depending on the situation, please explain why.

[Ergel]

Store ABC sends a 10% off coupon to its credit card mailing list and the terms of the coupon state that it’s only intended for use by the recipients, yet the coupon works for everyone. Can it be used by non-credit card holders? No
Store ABC has an 80% off coupon for employees only. Can non-employees use it? No
Store ABC send out a “Save10” coupon open to everyone, but you figure out that “Save25” also works with greater savings. Is that permitted? Yes
Store ABC send a one time use coupon for a discount, and you discover a way to manipulate the code so that it works multiple times. Is that allowed? No

[Agoldsc1]

Store ABC sends a 10% off coupon to its credit card mailing list and the terms of the coupon state that it’s only intended for use by the recipients, yet the coupon works for everyone. Can it be used by non-credit card holders? No
Store ABC has an 80% off coupon for employees only. Can non-employees use it? No
Store ABC send out a “Save10” coupon open to everyone, but you figure out that “Save25” also works with greater savings. Is that permitted? Yes
Store ABC send a one time use coupon for a discount, and you discover a way to manipulate the code so that it works multiple times. Is that allowed? No

Why is number 3 permitted if the others aren’t?

[Lurker]

Is it ethical to use coupons intended for somebody else, or to manipulate coupons so as to provide a different benefit than intended? Does the value of the coupon matter?

Examples:
Store ABC sends a 10% off coupon to its credit card mailing list and the terms of the coupon state that it’s only intended for use by the recipients, yet the coupon works for everyone. Can it be used by non-credit card holders?
Store ABC has an 80% off coupon for employees only. Can non-employees use it?
Store ABC send out a “Save10” coupon open to everyone, but you figure out that “Save25” also works with greater savings. Is that permitted?
Store ABC send a one time use coupon for a discount, and you discover a way to manipulate the code so that it works multiple times. Is that allowed?

For the purposes of these questions, assume that the store wants the coupons to be used only as intended. Don’t say that the store is just happy to be making a sale, for that it’s part of a marketing plan.

If your answers differ depending on the situation, please explain why.

A) If the coupon is unique to each CC holder, I don't think it matters who uses it (essentially the CC holder's benefit to use or convey). If it's generic, but intended for CC holders only, it shouldn't be used by non-CC holders.

B) No. If an employee uses it for you, that depends on the employee's relationship and understanding with the employer.

C) Yes. There doesn't seem to be any restriction implied on either code.

D) No.

Value of the coupon doesn't matter. Manipulating the coupon is straight up theft. It's like changing the price tag on an item in the store.

[Agoldsc1]

A) If the coupon is unique to each CC holder, I don't think it matters who uses it (essentially the CC holder's benefit to use or convey). If it's generic, but intended for CC holders only, it shouldn't be used by non-CC holders.

B) No. If an employee uses it for you, that depends on the employee's relationship and understanding with the employer.

C) Yes. There doesn't seem to be any restriction implied on either code.

D) No.

Value of the coupon doesn't matter. Manipulating the coupon is straight up theft. It's like changing the price tag on an item in the store.

Why isn't (C) considered manipulating the coupon? What if I change it to "Save90" and it takes off 90% of the price. Is that also permitted?

[Lurker]

Why isn't (C) considered manipulating the coupon? What if I change it to "Save90" and it takes off 90% of the price. Is that also permitted?

I don't believe it's manipulating the original coupon. It's a different coupon altogether.

[Agoldsc1]

I don't believe it's manipulating the original coupon. It's a different coupon altogether.

Then wouldn’t it fall under Category (A) of using a coupon not intended for you?

[Lurker]

Then wouldn’t it fall under Category (A) of using a coupon not intended for you?

C) Yes. There doesn't seem to be any restriction implied on either code.

[Lurker]

Alternative take: if the store wishes to restrict certain discounts to specific people or groups, it's the store's responsibility to verify the intended users are using it before giving the customer the product. Not verifying authentic use can be seen as sanctioning the transaction.