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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2610 on: February 18, 2021, 03:59:44 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2611 on: February 18, 2021, 05:06:23 PM »
Is what ethical?
To ask someone to keep attacking someone, on the one hand they asked for it and on the other hand is it ethical?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2612 on: February 23, 2021, 02:32:51 PM »
I personally do not think this is ethical but want to hear from others if they thinks so as well.
A lot of insurances do not pay much for home birth, one of the ways people are getting around this is by signing up to an insurance that pays a lot for the last trimester once the insurance pays for the birth they quit and go back to their regular insurance.

I know this is a by product of the Obamacare mandate to expect people with “preexisting conditions” so the insurance has no choice but to except.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2613 on: March 04, 2021, 07:07:05 PM »
Not even sure if this would work, but also not sure it's ethical:

Son went to ER, bill falls under our deductible, so over $1k. Called the hospital and offered to pay right away if they could give me a discount, they said they can't do that.

Is it ethical to let it go to collections and see if I can negotiate with them?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2614 on: March 04, 2021, 08:11:10 PM »
I personally do not think this is ethical but want to hear from others if they thinks so as well.
A lot of insurances do not pay much for home birth, one of the ways people are getting around this is by signing up to an insurance that pays a lot for the last trimester once the insurance pays for the birth they quit and go back to their regular insurance.

I know this is a by product of the Obamacare mandate to expect people with “preexisting conditions” so the insurance has no choice but to except.
I see no reason it should be unethical if you're following the rules.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2615 on: March 04, 2021, 10:44:21 PM »

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2616 on: March 04, 2021, 10:58:02 PM »
Not even sure if this would work, but also not sure it's ethical:

Son went to ER, bill falls under our deductible, so over $1k. Called the hospital and offered to pay right away if they could give me a discount, they said they can't do that.

Is it ethical to let it go to collections and see if I can negotiate with them?
Y not?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2617 on: March 05, 2021, 01:01:24 AM »
I see no reason it should be unethical if you're following the rules.
Noob question:
Would that affect credit score? Or only loans going to collection?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2618 on: March 12, 2021, 10:13:15 AM »
Last year I bought 4 tickets on SAA from JFK-JNB for Pesach. Then there was this thing called Covid-19 and all flights were canceled, and I requested a refund for the flights which did not even take off even if we would have wanted to travel. They did not respond to the refund requests (by phone and email) and so I disputed the CC charges and was refunded in full.

More than a year later they finally responded to the email, and are offering me a refund in the form of an SAA travel voucher. Now, it is entirely possible that after I fill in the voucher request form they sent they will pick up that the charges were refunded. It's also SAA, which has the competence level of an average journalist reporting on frum Jews, so more than likely not. It is also entirely possible that SAA will never fly from JFK again and I will have no use for the voucher.

I think applying for the voucher is kind of stealing, but I'm being told by some I'm crazy and I should absolutely fill out the form, and if they send me a voucher, it's on them.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2619 on: March 12, 2021, 10:17:52 AM »
I think applying for the voucher is kind of stealing, but I'm being told by some I'm crazy and I should absolutely fill out the form, and if they send me a voucher, it's on them.
someone that finds a millions dollars with a name on it is also crazy for returning it

or to pass by on Shabbos and skipping it

might be a bit extreme but crazy doesn't define right or wrong

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2620 on: March 12, 2021, 10:18:51 AM »
I think applying for the voucher is kind of stealing, but I'm being told by some I'm crazy and I should absolutely fill out the form, and if they send me a voucher, it's on them.

Trust your instincts here.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2621 on: March 12, 2021, 10:25:20 AM »
someone that finds a millions dollars with a name on it is also crazy for returning it
for that matter, kosher food is very expensive
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2622 on: March 12, 2021, 10:27:45 AM »
Trust your instincts here.

I'm going to, this is more curiousity of what others think rather than a practical question.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2623 on: March 12, 2021, 10:38:29 AM »
I'm going to, this is more curiousity of what others think rather than a practical question.

Actually, I'm tempted to apply for the voucher just to see if they issue it, but I would not actually use it.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2624 on: March 12, 2021, 10:42:57 AM »
Last year I bought 4 tickets on SAA from JFK-JNB for Pesach. Then there was this thing called Covid-19 and all flights were canceled, and I requested a refund for the flights which did not even take off even if we would have wanted to travel. They did not respond to the refund requests (by phone and email) and so I disputed the CC charges and was refunded in full.

More than a year later they finally responded to the email, and are offering me a refund in the form of an SAA travel voucher. Now, it is entirely possible that after I fill in the voucher request form they sent they will pick up that the charges were refunded. It's also SAA, which has the competence level of an average journalist reporting on frum Jews, so more than likely not. It is also entirely possible that SAA will never fly from JFK again and I will have no use for the voucher.

I think applying for the voucher is kind of stealing, but I'm being told by some I'm crazy and I should absolutely fill out the form, and if they send me a voucher, it's on them.
It's not "kind of" stealing
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