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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2860 on: July 24, 2023, 02:31:18 PM »
Last month, when flying for work, my flight got canceled, and I had to stay another night. I included the extra night in my expense report, and of course I got reimbursed,  as I should. Afterward, I realized I could submit a complaint to united, so I did and I showed the hotel invoice as support, asking for reimbursement from united. I was expecting no more than a few thousand miles as a courtesy.  But now they say they're going to send me a check for the cost of that night at the hotel.

Do I keep the money or somehow give it back to my company (no idea how - my boss will think I'm crazy).
I'm torn as well.
If you're laying out the money to pay for the travel and then asking them to pay what you spent, then I think it makes sense to give it back. The fact that you went out of the way to get it back you can charge them for your time.

If you tell them that you got credited and they don't give you a reasonable way to give it back then I wouldn't run after them.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2861 on: July 24, 2023, 02:38:31 PM »
I'm torn as well.
If you're laying out the money to pay for the travel and then asking them to pay what you spent, then I think it makes sense to give it back. The fact that you went out of the way to get it back you can charge them for your time.

If you tell them that you got credited and they don't give you a reasonable way to give it back then I wouldn't run after them.
If you regularly travel for work, maybe you can credit them towards the next expense.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2862 on: July 24, 2023, 02:58:11 PM »
Last month, when flying for work, my flight got canceled, and I had to stay another night. I included the extra night in my expense report, and of course I got reimbursed,  as I should. Afterward, I realized I could submit a complaint to united, so I did and I showed the hotel invoice as support, asking for reimbursement from united. I was expecting no more than a few thousand miles as a courtesy.  But now they say they're going to send me a check for the cost of that night at the hotel.

Do I keep the money or somehow give it back to my company (no idea how - my boss will think I'm crazy).
If it was me, I would ask my boss. If he says to keep it, then I would keep it. Otherwise I would give it back.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2863 on: July 24, 2023, 04:15:13 PM »
If it was me, I would ask my boss. If he says to keep it, then I would keep it. Otherwise I would give it back.

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Plus you'll earn points by your boss for your honesty.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2864 on: July 24, 2023, 04:23:23 PM »
If it was me, I would ask my boss. If he says to keep it, then I would keep it. Otherwise I would give it back.
+1 and I'd offer to credit towards the next trip's expenses as an easy way to "pay it back"
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2865 on: July 24, 2023, 11:25:03 PM »
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Plus you'll earn points by your boss for your honesty.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2869 on: September 03, 2023, 11:34:58 PM »
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Re: Is It Ethical?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2871 on: September 28, 2023, 05:32:46 PM »
I bought 3 of these pendant lights when they were on DDMS.

Didn't end up needing them, so I filed for a return. Amazon gave me one shipping label, but each light is in a relatively large box of its own, and there was no way I was gonna fit all 3 in any one box, so I taped the 3 boxes together in a stack securely, and shipped them as one package that way. I lazily didn't take off the original shipping label, and instead taped the boxes together with the old labels facing each other so they're not visible from the outside.

My Amazon account said they only received one light, so I chatted and told them that I sent all 3 in one package, and the rep refunded the remaining two. Fast forward to today, and I receive two of them via UPS. Turns out the three were separated (looks clearly cut, by the way it's separated), and the previous shipping labels became visible, so they redelivered two of them using the original labels.

Do I now have to chat with amazon again and try to explain this whole story to them and re-return these two or pay for them? I feel like the rep is not gonna understand this.

Total value of the lights is ~$25.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2872 on: September 28, 2023, 05:38:02 PM »
I bought 3 of these pendant lights when they were on DDMS.

Didn't end up needing them, so I filed for a return. Amazon gave me one shipping label, but each light is in a relatively large box of its own, and there was no way I was gonna fit all 3 in any one box, so I taped the 3 boxes together in a stack securely, and shipped them as one package that way. I lazily didn't take off the original shipping label, and instead taped the boxes together with the old labels facing each other so they're not visible from the outside.

My Amazon account said they only received one light, so I chatted and told them that I sent all 3 in one package, and the rep refunded the remaining two. Fast forward to today, and I receive two of them via UPS. Turns out the three were separated (looks clearly cut, by the way it's separated), and the previous shipping labels became visible, so they redelivered two of them using the original labels.

Do I now have to chat with amazon again and try to explain this whole story to them and re-return these two or pay for them? I feel like the rep is not gonna understand this.

Total value of the lights is ~$25.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2873 on: September 28, 2023, 05:39:36 PM »
You need to make a good faith effort to remedy the situation. Call Amazon.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2874 on: September 28, 2023, 07:47:06 PM »
You need to make a good faith effort to remedy the situation. Call Amazon.
The shipping begins to add up to more than the worth of the lights.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2875 on: September 28, 2023, 08:31:02 PM »
The shipping begins to add up to more than the worth of the lights.
Which is why amazon will likely say to keep it. But I would still ask them.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2876 on: September 28, 2023, 08:49:22 PM »
Thank you all for your advice. I just chatted, and (after checking with his lead) the rep said:

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2877 on: September 28, 2023, 09:12:17 PM »
Thank you all for your advice. I just chatted, and (after checking with his lead) the rep said:
You giving them away now?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2878 on: September 29, 2023, 10:14:53 AM »
You giving them away now?
Now that they're free, I'll find a use for them :)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2879 on: October 19, 2023, 02:05:03 AM »
Is it ethical to try to profit off a singer (buy reselling tickets), in which the singer had a concert where people died, and he just kept the music playing?

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