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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #400 on: October 02, 2012, 11:41:50 PM »
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Doesn't ethical = halachikly acceptable?

Not necessarily. 
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #401 on: October 02, 2012, 11:46:53 PM »
ok granted, but I would venture that the real issue for the oilam here is halacha not ethics.

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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #402 on: October 02, 2012, 11:57:14 PM »
ok granted, but I would venture that the real issue for the oilam here is halacha not ethics.

Some things might be halachically allowed and I would still hope people had the sensitivity to think if they are ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #403 on: October 03, 2012, 12:00:55 AM »
מסכים :)
The problem is the other direction ethical but אסור nonetheless.

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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #404 on: October 03, 2012, 12:05:14 AM »
מסכים :)
The problem is the other direction ethical but אסור nonetheless.

Right.

Any examples?

Can't think of any offhand. Know plenty exist.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #405 on: October 03, 2012, 12:12:35 AM »
I dunno.  It seems like the discussion above about the suitcase might be relevant.  I am curious if there would be any halachik issue in the following case.

  What happens if I buy online for the amex big break promotion and the credits don't post.  I broke their rules by making an online purchase but I sm them asking for credits and they give it to me.   Should that be mutar?  What about using the $200  plat credit for gc's? 
I know we all do this but you know it's right after yom kippur and it makes me wonder sometimes...

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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #406 on: October 03, 2012, 12:14:15 AM »
What about using the $200  plat credit for gc's? 
I know we all do this
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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #407 on: October 03, 2012, 12:15:06 AM »
מסכים :)
The problem is the other direction ethical but אסור nonetheless.
Right.

Any examples?

Can't think of any offhand. Know plenty exist.
what defines ethical besides the Torah? halacha is not ethics, it's law, just because u can do something legally doesn't mean u should

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #408 on: October 03, 2012, 12:16:14 AM »
In Judaism, the righteous and pious leaders have the authority to represent and tell people God's wishes.
no. (i am assuming it was a question)
Right.

Any examples?

Can't think of any offhand. Know plenty exist.
not sure about all the specifics with the luggage but to me it sound ethical and asur 

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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #409 on: October 03, 2012, 12:16:52 AM »
Speak for yourself
אדרבה speak for yourself.  do you think it's אסור?

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Re: Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #410 on: October 03, 2012, 12:17:56 AM »
אדרבה speak for yourself.  do you think it's אסור?
Hard to say. Definitely think it is unethical
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Re: Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #411 on: October 03, 2012, 12:18:28 AM »
what defines ethical besides the Torah? halacha is not ethics, it's law, just because u can do something legally doesn't mean u should

Again, I couldn't think of any examples but I still think there must be some examples of something that's considered ethical that is nonetheless asur.


And vice versa there are for sure many things like I said originally.
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Re: Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #412 on: October 03, 2012, 12:19:59 AM »
Hard to say. Definitely think it is unethical
whats unethical about buying gc i thought in the tc it say gc are not excluded

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #413 on: October 03, 2012, 12:24:01 AM »
in the t&c's it says gc are excluded
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #414 on: October 03, 2012, 12:28:40 AM »
Ethics by definition are a personal thing. Halacha is generally more black and white. Ethics are peoples personal views and morals. And everyone has different standards and sensitivities.

Some matters are more widely accepted as being ethical or not but when you're talking about specific situations on a smaller scale everyones going to have their own opinions which is exactly what this thread is for. People sharing their opinions on various topics and their moral and ethical views.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #415 on: October 03, 2012, 12:32:29 AM »
maybe this all belongs here

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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #416 on: October 03, 2012, 12:56:22 AM »
Ethics by definition are a personal thing. Halacha is generally more black and white. Ethics are peoples personal views and morals. And everyone has different standards and sensitivities.

Some matters are more widely accepted as being ethical or not but when you're talking about specific situations on a smaller scale everyones going to have their own opinions which is exactly what this thread is for. People sharing their opinions on various topics and their moral and ethical views.
There is a mandate in the Torah of vi'asisa hayashar vi'hatov
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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #417 on: October 03, 2012, 01:03:17 AM »
There is a mandate in the Torah of vi'asisa hayashar vi'hatov


And when it comes to things like that you will always get people with different opinions and sensitivities,  morals and different standards.
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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #418 on: October 03, 2012, 01:58:07 AM »

And when it comes to things like that you will always get people with different opinions and sensitivities,  morals and different standards.
that's very nice and each person is entitled to their own opinion and standards but there's no such thing as ethics if any person can make up their own (for example I may not feel that it's wrong to kill someone) the Torah (not halacha) however sets a standard of what is and isn't moral/ethical

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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #419 on: October 03, 2012, 10:46:11 AM »
spoke to some lawyers (one guy who really deals with this stuff) and he told me to email amex. Will report back
Emailed amex and they told me they can't answer since the insurance is outsourced. Called the insurance and they said that agree a claim is settled I am free to do whatever I want. asked even if they will fix for free? She put me on hold and asked a supervisor who said after claim its settled I can do whatever I want
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