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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* It's most likely not ethical.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1980 on: June 05, 2015, 11:42:57 AM »

If it helps my case... I plan on donating the huggies to colell youngmen:)
G-D can't be bribed...

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1981 on: June 05, 2015, 11:44:37 AM »
G-D can't be bribed...

Sepp Blater begs to differ.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1982 on: June 05, 2015, 04:50:55 PM »
reminds me - I ordered something from Amazon, and they made a big deal (as they probably always do, but I happened to notice it) about the guaranteed delivery date, which was a Saturday. It came on Monday. On a whim I wrote them in email saying that i was surprised that they guaranteed a date and didn't stick to it. which was 100% true. they gave me a free month of Prime. I wasn't expecting it, and felt a little strange after the fact. But I didn't do anything at all wrong or dishonest. So feeling weird isn't really an indication.
OTOH, I'll probably start paying more attention to the dates now....
I don't see a problem. They could have delivered Friday or even Sunday (as far as your comment to them is concerned).

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1983 on: June 05, 2015, 05:21:25 PM »
I don't see a problem. They could have delivered Friday or even Sunday (as far as your comment to them is concerned).
Where's henche? You never post without him/her.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1984 on: June 05, 2015, 05:30:49 PM »
Boston, I think.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1985 on: June 05, 2015, 05:33:08 PM »
Is it ethical to hide gift cards at stop and shop?
No.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1986 on: June 05, 2015, 05:48:02 PM »
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=52555.0

I don't know if it was muttar; it certainly seems unethical to me.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1987 on: June 05, 2015, 05:57:23 PM »
How long should a piece of carry-on luggage last?
Bought it in 07/2011 from Costco...
Should i return it (Costco lifetime returns) or just buy a new one as i got almost 4 years out of it (used it 6-10 days out of every month).
I don't think it's unethical to return it. They know exactly what their policy entails, yet do it anyhow, because they make enough extra sales to people who enjoy having that peace of mind that it's worth it.

Depending on the circumstance, it might be chillul Hashem, though.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1988 on: June 06, 2015, 02:55:33 PM »
G-D can't be bribed...
+1
כִּי אֲנִי  אֹהֵב מִשְׁפָּט שֹׂנֵא גָזֵל בְּעוֹלָה וְנָתַתִּי פְעֻלָּתָם בֶּאֱמֶת וּבְרִית עוֹלָם אֶכְרוֹת לָהֶם (Yeshayahu 61/8)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1989 on: July 16, 2015, 11:42:17 AM »
I saw that this was discussed earlier
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=12784.msg519008#msg519008
but nobody answered as far as I can tell..

This might sound trollish or naaive, but is there any reason why using one corporate code would be more yashrus than another?
For ex. Does chabad not care if you use their code, whereas honeywell does? Is this blatantly going against someones T & C (for ex. the rental corperation)? Are you stealing insurance from them if they offer insurance, but I have a card that covers insurance?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1990 on: July 16, 2015, 01:02:04 PM »
Chabad specifically promotes use of their code.
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1991 on: July 16, 2015, 02:41:37 PM »
I don't think it's unethical to return it. They know exactly what their policy entails, yet do it anyhow, because they make enough extra sales to people who enjoy having that peace of mind that it's worth it.

Depending on the circumstance, it might be chillul Hashem, though.

Please explain what you think a Chilul Hashem means...and how returning a item legitimately would be considered a chilul Hashem

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1992 on: July 16, 2015, 03:00:43 PM »
I think it would be a chillul Hashem if it is made to seem that Yidden are especially likely to take advantage of a liberal policy.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1993 on: July 16, 2015, 03:04:54 PM »
I think it would be a chillul Hashem if it is made to seem that Yidden are especially likely to take advantage of a liberal policy.

You would be wrong.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1994 on: July 16, 2015, 03:10:48 PM »
Please explain what you think a Chilul Hashem means...and how returning a item legitimately would be considered a chilul Hashem

What do you think a Chillul Hashem is? Didn't I already see this argument somewhere in the JS section of DDF?

The word "legitimately" has no place here. The question is if it is ethical, i.e. despite the fact that the retailer allows the return of the item, is it wrong to return an item which you clearly have gotten full use out of?

Here we are adding another variable into the question: the person returning the item is an observant Jew. Observant Jews claim to follow the Torah and to conduct themselves in a G-Dly manner. We teach our children that we are a chosen nation, and that we ought to conduct ourselves in a more refined manner. We teach our children that we are to be A Light Unto the Nations. Heck, we even ask the government to give us unique privileges, like allowing us to serve in agencies that do not allow beards - which some of us grow because we are a holy nation, and to enact workplace discrimination laws so that we can observe Shabbat and the Holidays.

So a gentile is standing in Costco, and he observes as a Frum Jew walks in with a pee-stained, yellowing mattress that is at least seven years old, and he returns it for a full refund...