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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Is It Ethical?
« on: January 03, 2012, 01:22:09 PM »
Post any ethical discussion you may have in this thread.
Any ethics discussions made in other threads from now on will be deleted.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 01:31:56 PM »
Thank You Dan
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 01:34:04 PM »
I dont think its a ethical decision to ban ethical comments....
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 01:35:33 PM »
Quote from: chuchem on January 03, 2012, 01:34:04 PM
I dont think its a ethical decision to ban ethical comments....
Funny man.
No one banned them, they just have to be placed in the right thread.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 01:46:52 PM »
Nice one Dan!
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 02:15:52 PM »
Ethical to sign up for cards with sign up bonuses and then cancel them after points are received?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 04:47:01 PM »
Just for a start, something that has been bothering me for a while.
Is it ethical to use your 'hatzolah/shmirah/ chaveirim/etc. Parking permit to park on a handicap spot when you are not on a call/emergency (but just plain lazy)?!
This really bothers me when I see it happening in (Jewish) shopping areas.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2012, 05:01:31 PM »
Hey wait a second.  Before we start with new ethical discussions, why don't we address the ones that everyone has been fighting about already, i.e buying on sale and getting full price back, and taking advantage of return protection if they aren't going to make you return the item.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2012, 05:06:25 PM »
Quote from: ez1985 on January 03, 2012, 05:01:31 PM
Hey wait a second.  Before we start with new ethical discussions, why don't we address the ones that everyone has been fighting about already, i.e buying on sale and getting full price back, and taking advantage of return protection if they aren't going to make you return the item.
why cant we discuss both of them?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2012, 05:15:40 PM »
Quote from: farmerjoe on January 03, 2012, 05:06:25 PM
why cant we discuss both of them?
Yeah we could.  I guess I'm just waiting for all the people who starting making problems on those threads to come over here.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2012, 05:27:59 PM »
I am a little shocked that some of this stuff even has to be asked. If you bought something on sale and they are ready to refund full price you should say something. If they still choose to give you back full amount then it's on them but at least you are honest.  As for the other thread about the canceled amazon purchase: of course you should return the item. Someone is losing the money, either amazon or the seller.  I don't get this idea of it's OK if it's from a goy !! It's NOT OK !!! It's really simple, be honest and do the right thing.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2012, 05:32:14 PM »
Quote from: boruch on January 03, 2012, 04:47:01 PM
Is it ethical to use your 'hatzolah/shmirah/ chaveirim/etc. Parking permit to park on a handicap spot when you are not on a call/emergency (but just plain lazy)?!

Quote from: WiddleAvi on January 03, 2012, 05:27:59 PM
I am a little shocked that some of this stuff even has to be asked.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2012, 05:53:22 PM »
Quote from: WiddleAvi on January 03, 2012, 05:27:59 PM
I am a little shocked that some of this stuff even has to be asked. If you bought something on sale and they are ready to refund full price you should say something. If they still choose to give you back full amount then it's on them but at least you are honest.  As for the other thread about the canceled amazon purchase: of course you should return the item. Someone is losing the money, either amazon or the seller.  I don't get this idea of it's OK if it's from a goy !! It's NOT OK !!! It's really simple, be honest and do the right thing.
Excuse me?  First of all, why are you taking for granted that you need to say something?!  If its Taus Akum, that is not necessarily true.  Just because that's what feels right, that is not always what dictates Halacha.  And the same could very possibly go for the Amazon thing.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2012, 06:13:44 PM »
Quote from: ez1985 on January 03, 2012, 05:53:22 PM
Just because that's what feels right, that is not always what dictates Halacha.

I am glad the Torah is giving you permission to steal.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2012, 06:26:10 PM »
Quote from: Dan on January 03, 2012, 01:22:09 PM
Post any ethical discussion you may have in this thread.
Any ethics discussions made in other threads from now on will be deleted.
I commend you on deciding to separate ethical discussions from the threads themselves. Have you considered updating the forum rules with this change?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2012, 06:30:18 PM »
Quote from: twentie4hrs on January 03, 2012, 02:15:52 PM
Ethical to sign up for cards with sign up bonuses and then cancel them after points are received?
Why not?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2012, 10:15:50 PM »
Quote from: WiddleAvi on January 03, 2012, 06:13:44 PM
I am glad the Torah is giving you permission to steal.

If a stranger sends you $15 in the mail and you don't return it are you a thief??
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Is It Ethical?
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2012, 10:17:05 PM »
Quote from: muttman on January 03, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
If a stranger sends you $15 in the mail and you don't return it are you a thief??

If its a yid and it was done by accident then yeah (or atleast I think so)

now the answer to widdleavi is that I'm glad you're glad. if the torah says it's muttar who are you to assur it?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2012, 09:47:20 AM »
Quote from: bubbles on January 03, 2012, 10:17:05 PM
If its a yid and it was done by accident then yeah (or atleast I think so)

now the answer to widdleavi is that I'm glad you're glad. if the torah says it's muttar who are you to assur it?
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If the torah gives you permission, then its not stealing!  Halacha isn't always about what FEELS right.
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