Is It Ethical?

[Mocha]

Threads going OT. Should be moved to the "Trick it / negotiate it" thread 

[ez1985]

It does not matter how blunt she wants you to be.  If you say that you don't like something or that she doesn't look good in something then she will be insulted.

[Dan]

It does not matter how blunt she wants you to be.  If you say that you don't like something or that she doesn't look good in something then she will be insulted.

YWMV

[Mocha]

It does not matter how blunt she wants you to be.  If you say that you don't like something or that she doesn't look good in something then she will be insulted.

+1
I will never completely understand woman's logic.

[AJK]

It does not matter how blunt she wants you to be.  If you say that you don't like something or that she doesn't look good in something then she will be insulted.

...so at least someone on here is going to be eating that [insert poor tasting food here] for...

ever

I will never completely understand woman's logic.

Women's logic = oxymoron.

[Dan]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/us-stephenhawking-women-idUSTRE8040YL20120105

[Steven]

YWMV

+1
(dont know if ppl saw that)

[sky121]

absolutely not

Kant was obviously never married

would any guy every tell the truth to his wife if she asked if she looked bad in a dress

There are various ways of telling the truth. Plus just because you are only going to tell the truth does not mean you have to say EVERYTHING you think/feel etc. There are different degrees and ways of always being truthful.

[mercaz1]

agreed that you can suggest to your wife "maybe the other dress" or "i liked the other chicken better" but you would never be blunt to the point of replying that "yes honey that dress does make you look fat" unless you want to sleep in the cold for a long long time

[HelpMe]

One thing you should never say to your wife. If she says “honey look I lost 5 pounds” do not reply “turn around and you will find it”.

[yare]

Threads going OT. Should be moved to the "Trick it / negotiate it" thread 

lol   that is definitely the name of the game

[twentie4hrs]

+1
(dont know if ppl saw that)

we saw it steven...we saw it

[shmuelb]

FWIR, in Yiddishkeit there is a great value to saying the truth, but it is not an absolute, overriding value. Midvar Sheker Tirchak is a pasuk. It doesn't say Do Not Lie (actually it does in another pasuk) so we know that Meshanim mipnei Hashalom.

What is the opinion of our great comrades here about opening a new card just for the bonuses if you know for sure you will cancel it right away? For example, I try to open a card only if I think that it may be worthwhile to keep.

[Cbs]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/us-stephenhawking-women-idUSTRE8040YL20120105

is stephen hawkings jewish by chance?

[Steven]

FWIR, in Yiddishkeit there is a great value to saying the truth, but it is not an absolute, overriding value. Midvar Sheker Tirchak is a pasuk. It doesn't say Do Not Lie (actually it does in another pasuk) so we know that Meshanim mipnei Hashalom.

What is the opinion of our great comrades here about opening a new card just for the bonuses if you know for sure you will cancel it right away? For example, I try to open a card only if I think that it may be worthwhile to keep.

where does it say anywhere you have to keep the card for a certain amount of time? Its the cc companies decision to give the bonus and in hope you will keep the card because of its benefits (I actually asked a rov of mine, and he told me its absolutely ok)

[AJK]

where does it say anywhere . . .

So because it doesn't say it explicitly in the TOS and T&C, it's OK?

What about buying, say, a digital camera from Target for use on an upcoming weekend vacation with the full intention of returning it afterwards. You think that's ethical? Because it doesn't explicitly proscribe that action in Target's return policy?

Do you think Target would have no problem with such  a course of action if you asked them?

[bubbles]

So because it doesn't say it explicitly in the TOS and T&C, it's OK?

What about buying, say, a digital camera from Target for use on an upcoming weekend vacation with the full intention of returning it afterwards. You think that's ethical? Because it doesn't explicitly proscribe that action in Target's return policy?

Do you think Target would have no problem with such  a course of action if you asked them?

I also specifically asked basically the same scenario and was told it's okay. But as always don't rely on this form and ask your own LOR. Personally I think if you ask the salesperson in target they would say go right ahead

[AJK]

I also specifically asked basically the same scenario and was told it's okay.

Are we talking ethics or halacha?

Personally I think if you ask the salesperson in target they would say go right ahead

Salesperson? First, for reasons mentioned on here before, the fact that he would have no problem with it should be obvious (salespeople work on commission, they just want to get the sale done). Second, the fact that a salesperson OKs it is irrelevant. A salesperson does not have the authority to speak for Target management.

[bubbles]

Are we talking ethics or halacha?

Is there a difference (besides there being 2 threads)? what do you base your ethics on?

I realize sometimes there is a difference between me'iker hadin (the letter of the law in case HelpMe is reading  ) and Lifnim (beyond what's required) but usually your da'as torah will inform you what the proper thing to do is when they are asked

[AJK]

Is there a difference (besides there being 2 threads)? what do you base your ethics on?

I realize sometimes there is a difference between me'iker hadin (the letter of the law in case HelpMe is reading  ) and Lifnim (beyond what's required) but usually your da'as torah will inform you what the proper thing to do is when they are asked

Halacha is halacha is halacha. I'm not disputing that. But there are times when one's moral compass could (and I'd argue should) be shifting to the unethical side even despite it being halachically OK.

I'd suggest buying a camera with the sole intention of using it for three days while on vacation and then returning when the vacation is over to be one of those instances.