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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2012, 07:30:25 PM »
borrowing but again I want to stress not to rely on me and to ask your own posek
trust me i am not- i have been trained not to- especially when it comes to halacha and judaism- and for sure for sure hashkafa.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2012, 08:18:38 AM »
I asked and was told that it's okay so no, I don't think it is.

Good, at the end of the day, everyone should ask a posek. What we are discussing here is if it is ethical. That means if it is a kiyum of the pasuk "Veasisa hayashar vehatov" not just avoiding an issur of "Lo sigzol". We have Halacha, Shuras HaDin, and we have lifnim mishuras hadin.

Another salient issue here, as was mentioned, is the potential for Kidush Hashem or ChvSh Chillul Hashem. Every Frum Yid must always bear in mind the possible outcome of publicity of his dealings. For me, an incident in C-Town a few years ago really had a big impression on me. (Dan, you heard about this?) I was planning on investing with some people there. They had a good business plan and lawyers went over the contracts and said it was sound. In the end, the gov. went after them and filed a big indictment against them. After reading through the entire thing and being aware of the setup, the idea I got was that they did nothing illegal, or barely nothing, for sure nothing significant. They built up a whole case against them painting the whole business as a scam. B'kitzur, anything we do can be later distorted so we should try to be as clean as possible and not get seduced by short term gain with possible risk in the long term.

We have a responsibility to the Klal.
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #83 on: January 10, 2012, 08:07:13 AM »
BUMP

It seems he is not Jewish. He is too smart for himself, can not see the obvious.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #84 on: January 10, 2012, 01:40:13 PM »
It seems he is not Jewish. He is too smart for himself, can not see the obvious.
because i thought i heard a story from a guy and he was talking about him - forusre had his disease - and the guy in the story was jewish. i just dont want to say it if its not him

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2012, 05:43:27 PM »
Been quiet for some time and before the other threads starts, thought I'd post here.

As posted here , if you're a non profit organization you can get a free Keurig.

Now, apparently you don't really have to be in order to order it.

So is there anything wrong with anyone getting one?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2012, 03:08:14 AM »
So is there anything wrong with anyone getting one?

On what grounds do you consider yourself eligible? Or are you saying that if they don't check they don't really care?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2012, 01:05:27 PM »
Been quiet for some time and before the other threads starts, thought I'd post here.

As posted here , if you're a non profit organization you can get a free Keurig.

Now, apparently you don't really have to be in order to order it.

So is there anything wrong with anyone getting one?
who doesnt run a non profit

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« Reply #88 on: March 01, 2012, 12:30:02 PM »
I can only assume you are taking an International flight....because for Domestic, you don't need ID for the child....and his/her birthday is only known to you....
Ethical? Stealing?
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Re: Infant turning 2 before return flight
« Reply #89 on: March 01, 2012, 12:34:31 PM »
Ethical? Stealing?

Wrong forum for that!  US Mint, 3BM, Venmo, etc., etc., etc., etc.

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Re: Infant turning 2 before return flight
« Reply #90 on: March 01, 2012, 12:43:05 PM »
Wrong forum for that!  US Mint, 3BM, Venmo, etc., etc., etc., etc.
I hope you don't really believe that it's ok to steal. I doubt anyone on the forums would be ok with that
« Last Edit: March 01, 2012, 12:51:00 PM by Ergel »
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Re: Infant turning 2 before return flight
« Reply #91 on: March 01, 2012, 12:48:35 PM »
I hope you don't really believe that it's ok to steal. I doubt anyone ok the forums would be ok with that

And when your child turns 12, I'm sure you pay the adult admission at the Zoo on Chol Ha'moed when Child admission is "Under 12" and adult admission is "12 and over"

Just pointing out the hypocrisy that this may be the wrong forum to ask a question as to whether something is 100% "ethical"

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Re: Re: Infant turning 2 before return flight
« Reply #92 on: March 01, 2012, 12:50:07 PM »
And when your child turns 12, I'm sure you pay the adult admission at the Zoo on Chol Ha'moed when Child admission is "Under 12" and adult admission is "12 and over"
I actually do and am offended at the suggestion that I don't
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #93 on: March 01, 2012, 12:51:40 PM »
Wouldn't this fall under "ze nehene vze lo chosser"?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #94 on: March 01, 2012, 12:53:08 PM »
I actually do and am offended at the suggestion that I don't

As I don't know you at all, you really shouldn't get offended.  I would just venture to guess that a disproportionate % of the participants on this forum would err on the side of paying the child rate -- at least while it is reasonably close to the cut-off birthday.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #95 on: March 01, 2012, 12:56:02 PM »
As I don't know you at all, you really shouldn't get offended.  I would just venture to guess that a disproportionate % of the participants on this forum would err on the side of paying the child rate -- at least while is reasonably close to the cut-off birthday.
Not at that stage yet, but does it also depend if your child is within ear shot?  Would you be throwing away a $200,000 private school education by lying in front of them for a $5 discount?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #96 on: March 01, 2012, 01:04:40 PM »
Not at that stage yet, but does it also depend if your child is within ear shot?  Would you be throwing away a $200,000 private school education by lying in front of them for a $5 discount?

Absolutely...it's something I say to friends all the time.  We spend almost $20K per year per child on Yeshiva tuition (I know, I live in a high-rent district) to teach them morals, midot, among other things (Torah, etc.) -- and then there are those that throw all the moral lessons out the door when they tell their kids "If anyone asks, tell them you are 11"


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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #97 on: March 01, 2012, 01:11:59 PM »
Wouldn't this fall under "ze nehene vze lo chosser"?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #98 on: March 01, 2012, 02:02:55 PM »
Wouldn't this fall under "ze nehene vze lo chosser"?

which exactly are you referring to?

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Is It Ethical?
« Reply #99 on: March 01, 2012, 02:17:35 PM »
And when your child turns 12, I'm sure you pay the adult admission at the Zoo on Chol Ha'moed when Child admission is "Under 12" and adult admission is "12 and over"

Just pointing out the hypocrisy that this may be the wrong forum to ask a question as to whether something is 100% "ethical"
Its not unethical. It's stealing I think

And 2 wrongs don't make a right.

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