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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* It's most likely not ethical.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #120 on: March 01, 2012, 03:04:26 PM »
Tuition 1/3, housing 1/3...(and we don't mean 1/3 off, either)

Hmm....
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #121 on: March 01, 2012, 03:14:04 PM »
Don't forget free zoo every Monday! :) just trying to stay o(n)t ;)

Think we have free zoo every Wednesday (Bronx Zoo)...:)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #122 on: March 01, 2012, 03:25:59 PM »
Think we have free zoo every Wednesday (Bronx Zoo)...:)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #123 on: March 01, 2012, 04:05:46 PM »
but dan you also get the cleveland life
basically you get what you pay

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #124 on: March 01, 2012, 04:14:41 PM »
but dan you also get the cleveland life
basically you get what you pay
And I thank g-d for it every day.  Especially every time I come back from pretty much anywhere else.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #125 on: March 19, 2012, 05:34:55 PM »
Not at that stage yet, but does it also depend if your child is within ear shot?  Would you be throwing away a $200,000 private school education by lying in front of them for a $5 discount?

You may not be at the stage yet, but you will learn that within earshot or not doesn't/shouldn't matter. Kids know if their parents are eirlech or not. They have 6th sense.  It's something HKB"H built into the briah. When it comes to kids, you usually get out what you put in, in terms of your self conduct.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #126 on: March 19, 2012, 06:06:00 PM »
New question...bought a guitar at guitar center. As I was being ringed up the guy offered me a warranty package. I told him that I will be out of the country studying and would the warranty cover me.

He said that if there is no local authorized repair shop for Taylor - the guitar company, Guitar Center will just mail me a check for the cost of the guitar! I said sounds good and bought the package for about $50. Lo and behold, I was traveling and a small crack appeared in the guitar despite buying the case that the same sales guy said no one ever reported having an issue with on a plane...

I called and of course found out that there are no authorized Taylor repair shops in Israel and so they said they would mail a check. Months went by and nothing came so I called and the address had been written down incorrectly so I gave them a new address in Canada. Months went by again and nothing came. (In the meantime I had paid $90 to fix it myself.)

Finally after about 6 months I had enough and called the store and spoke to the manager - which at GC is always a good idea as their CS is pretty good. He took the details and put me in touch with corporate who agreed to finally mail me a new gift card (CORP told me that they don't send cash checks and that the CSR was mistaken...) to my US address and it came shortly thereafter...

A month later...the original gift card (not a check) came to Canada (very slow mail delivery) leaving me with two gift cards....I don't feel it's right to keep both and most likely will go into the store where I bought the guitar and thank the manager for his help and tell him about the discrepancy. At the very least it will hopefully make a kiddush hashem...

Question for DDF, is this the correct decision? Would you do the same?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #127 on: March 19, 2012, 06:13:10 PM »
New question...bought a guitar at guitar center. As I was being ringed up the guy offered me a warranty package. I told him that I will be out of the country studying and would the warranty cover me.

He said that if there is no local authorized repair shop for Taylor - the guitar company, Guitar Center will just mail me a check for the cost of the guitar! I said sounds good and bought the package for about $50. Lo and behold, I was traveling and a small crack appeared in the guitar despite buying the case that the same sales guy said no one ever reported having an issue with on a plane...

I called and of course found out that there are no authorized Taylor repair shops in Israel and so they said they would mail a check. Months went by and nothing came so I called and the address had been written down incorrectly so I gave them a new address in Canada. Months went by again and nothing came. (In the meantime I had paid $90 to fix it myself.)

Finally after about 6 months I had enough and called the store and spoke to the manager - which at GC is always a good idea as their CS is pretty good. He took the details and put me in touch with corporate who agreed to finally mail me a new gift card (CORP told me that they don't send cash checks and that the CSR was mistaken...) to my US address and it came shortly thereafter...

A month later...the original gift card (not a check) came to Canada (very slow mail delivery) leaving me with two gift cards....I don't feel it's right to keep both and most likely will go into the store where I bought the guitar and thank the manager for his help and tell him about the discrepancy. At the very least it will hopefully make a kiddush hashem...

Question for DDF, is this the correct decision? Would you do the same?
+1. I except I wouldn't go out of my to return it to the store, would just not use it.
However, if it is a privately owned goyish company I would definitely use it as it is טעות עכום. There are many easier ways if I was looking to specifically make a kiddush hashem
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #128 on: March 19, 2012, 06:24:25 PM »
I cant tell you what you should do, but if you return it I'm very impressed of you. But as PG said, its most likely taauth aakum.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #129 on: March 19, 2012, 06:39:34 PM »
I would ask corporate what I should do. I think most major companies wouldn't care about 1gc and they would tell you to enjoy it.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #130 on: March 19, 2012, 06:49:47 PM »
Taus akkum.  IMHO- Its yours to keep.  (not really my own opinion..I had a similar shaila asked my Rov and that was the psak.)


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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #131 on: March 19, 2012, 06:51:12 PM »
I would ask corporate what I should do. I think most major companies wouldn't care about 1gc and they would tell you to enjoy it.

Good idea...I'll try and post the results...

Also, it seems that GC is owned by Bain Capital...I guess I'll ask Mitt Romney next time I see him...:)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #132 on: March 19, 2012, 07:04:20 PM »
Well...corp CS seems to be out for lunch but I got through to the regular CS and they said that I should just 'dispose' of it...I asked how do I know which one...they said the one that came later was 'deactivated'...how can I tell online which it is?

"You have to make a purchase." Me: ???...What about in store?

GC: Maybe they have a way....

Sounds all a bit odd...any advice?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #133 on: March 19, 2012, 07:06:36 PM »
"Elvis Has Left The Building"

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #134 on: March 19, 2012, 07:16:35 PM »
http://www.guitarcenter.com/utility/balancecheck.aspx

Thanks! Amazing how both a CSR and the CSR at Corp HQ didn't have access to that! She was quite surprised and happy to hear that someone would actually call. She said she'll call back and hopefully just say to keep them....though I'm going to check the balances now.