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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #340 on: August 09, 2012, 09:31:07 AM »
OK, chill everyone!

About ethics, we just read in the Parsha "veasita haYushar vehatoiv". Rav Avigdor Miller ZTZL used to speak about this pasuk alot. IMHO, this is what people here mean when they ask if something is ethical. It means; is this something prohibited because it is unethical?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #341 on: August 09, 2012, 09:35:51 AM »
OK, chill everyone!

About ethics, we just read in the Parsha "veasita haYushar vehatoiv". Rav Avigdor Miller ZTZL used to speak about this pasuk alot. IMHO, this is what people here mean when they ask if something is ethical. It means; is this something prohibited because it is unethical?
Care to translate for the non Jews?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #342 on: August 09, 2012, 10:05:37 AM »
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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #343 on: August 09, 2012, 10:44:01 AM »
Care to translate for the non Jews?
Do the straight and the good
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #344 on: August 09, 2012, 11:27:19 AM »
Obviously you just have to ignore the ignoramuses like any good debate. The mirror comment hurts now that I know you've seen me ;). When we do start this thread are we going to get in to real religious debate like Isiah 53 and all the Nachmanodies debates with Priests from the middle ages :)) (I have a feeling some people will hate this post and I'll prob. end up deleting it. Like I said need a new domain name IMHO.
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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #345 on: August 09, 2012, 05:25:57 PM »
Do the straight and the good

That means that you can not weasel out with a loophole by claiming it is not anywhere in "The Book". It is a built in global superseding clause, all inclusive.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #346 on: August 13, 2012, 12:11:28 AM »
It's been very disturbing reading some of the comments on the DD site as well as some on this thread and the price mistake thread.  People write about how it can muttar to nochri but assur to a yid and this way and that way using more vivid terms like goy, Jew etc...

How can folks be so grossly irresponsible?  Do they not realize they are on the world wide web?  And that (potentially) millions are reading what they write?  What chillul Hashem..  It already made it onto the Boarding Areas' Wandering Aramean and probably many other places.

What a shanda!

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Is It Ethical?
« Reply #347 on: August 13, 2012, 12:16:16 AM »
It's been very disturbing reading some of the comments on the DD site as well as some on this thread and the price mistake thread.  People write about how it can muttar to nochri but assur to a yid and this way and that way using more vivid terms like goy, Jew etc...

How can folks be so grossly irresponsible?  Do they not realize they are on the world wide web?  And that (potentially) millions are reading what they write?  What chillul Hashem..  It already made it onto the Boarding Areas' Wandering Aramean and probably many other places.

What a shanda!

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #348 on: August 13, 2012, 07:59:27 AM »
Many have "asked" over the centuries why Jews can take interest from non-jews but not from jews. (MoV)

The answer is very simple and you do not have to be apologetic about it. The same applies for taut akum.

There is nothing wrong with renting out your houseboat or sailplane, similarly, if you own a trolleybus or bop-it, you can rent it out at any price which is agreeable to both sides. The same exact holds true with money. If I have a spare $40k, I can buy a cd for 1.04% or lend it to you for a monthly fee or invest with you in your venture and split the profits. Whatever we agree on is fine.

The fact that we have a special club benefit between jews does not make it unethical to exclude those not in the club. Anyone can join if they are sincere but you got to pay your dues to enjoy the bennies. 613 commandants for you are also many benefits that you share with others when you keep them.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #349 on: August 13, 2012, 08:14:34 AM »
Wow, Judaism just went from a religion to a 'club' ... ;)

Not the greatest way of trying to explain this concept IMHO.

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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #350 on: August 13, 2012, 08:25:23 AM »
Wow, Judaism just went from a religion to a 'club' ... ;)

Not the greatest way of trying to explain this concept IMHO.
I think it's the correct answer. You only are required to go above and beyond for your brethren.
There is a basic set of rules which apply to everyone. The extras are for family
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #351 on: August 13, 2012, 09:07:07 AM »
Wow, Judaism just went from a religion to a 'club' ... ;)

Not the greatest way of trying to explain this concept IMHO.
The best way to explain this concept is don't try to explain it.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #352 on: August 13, 2012, 09:41:21 AM »
The best way to explain this concept is don't try to explain it.
The best way to explain this concept is don't try to explain it on a public forum.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #353 on: August 13, 2012, 09:44:53 AM »
The best way to explain this concept is don't try to explain it on a public forum.
Public or private this only makes sense to ones in your "family". You will only be digging a deeper whole.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #354 on: August 13, 2012, 09:48:40 AM »
Public or private this only makes sense to ones in your "family". You will only be digging a deeper whole.
By not in a public forum, I meant where there are people not in your "family".
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #355 on: August 13, 2012, 09:54:26 AM »
By not in a public forum, I meant where there are people not in your "family".
I would hope everyone in your "family" understands this concept. It is the 99% of the rest of the world that it would be hard to have the same understanding.  ;)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #356 on: August 13, 2012, 09:59:16 AM »
I would hope everyone in your "family" understands this concept. It is the 99% of the rest of the world that it would be hard to have the same understanding.  ;)
I agree with you, especially the lousy explanation offered above.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #357 on: August 13, 2012, 10:11:12 AM »
I don't know... I'm not convinced it's that complicated of concept to digest.

Like the club metaphor or not, the fact remains that it does the trick.

Pay your dues to Club A, get X-Y-Z benefits. For a non-Club A'er to complain that he has no access to the X-Y-Z benefits, or to label Club A members elitist or selfish because the X-Y-Z benefits are not shared among the masses, evinces a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of a club.

To put it in terms people here might find palatable: It would be patently ridiculous for one, who has no Delta status at all, to complain that a he or she is not upgraded ahead of, or at least along with, a Delta Diamond Medallion.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #358 on: August 13, 2012, 10:46:14 AM »
The concept of the club is not hard to understand. The hard part to understand is people are getting treated differently based on religion. No matter how you slice it will always come back to that simple fact.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #359 on: August 13, 2012, 11:00:47 AM »
You say religion, I say club.

I don't see a practical difference, though, of course, I am open to being enlightened otherwise.
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