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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #600 on: January 11, 2013, 02:59:18 AM »
I was taught in school that eating meat on Friday was a sin. Now it is only a sin on Fridays during Easter. Don’t believe everything you are taught/told/read.

What is your view of atheist? Can they be ethical people?

Ethics is a point of view. The greatest villains of history thought they were ethical people. Do I think they were no, but that is because my ethics are based on something greater than human feelings. 
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #601 on: January 11, 2013, 03:11:11 AM »
Ethics is a point of view. The greatest villains of history thought they were ethical people. Do I think they were no, but that is because my ethics are based on something greater than human feelings.
Weren’t some of these same villains thought of themselves as being religious people also?

This is not a trick or gothca question. Is it possible that something could be seen by most as ethical but against your religion? How about the opposite also.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #602 on: January 11, 2013, 03:15:31 AM »
Weren’t some of these same villains thought of themselves as being religious people also?

This is not a trick or gothca question. Is it possible that something could be seen by most as ethical but against your religion? How about the opposite also.

This paradox is true of knowing your religion to be the one true one, and as such is the reason BELIEF is at the base of religion otherwise it is the same as villains or other religious sects. So I suppose you can restate my opinion as ethics is based on faith. (I doubt this came out right, a bit on the tired side.)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #603 on: January 11, 2013, 03:18:38 AM »
I get it. I think then the title of this thread should be changed knowing the make up of this forum.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #604 on: January 11, 2013, 03:20:52 AM »
I get it. I think then the title of this thread should be changed knowing the make up of this forum.
I am far from a spokesman for the rest of the frum world. I am sure I have a fair share of beliefs others could would consider heretical. This could be one of them for all I know. When I said before "what I was taught in school" it was a figure of speech. This I picked up on my own... (I am glad you get it though)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #605 on: January 11, 2013, 03:54:34 AM »
I get it. I think then the title of this thread should be changed knowing the make up of this forum.
Even if ethics are based on religion that does not make them halacha - i.e. law.

It just means that your basis of what's considered ethical comes from a higher power, you don't get to decide what's considered ethical on your own.




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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #606 on: January 11, 2013, 04:09:40 AM »
I was taught in school that eating meat on Friday was a sin. Now it is only a sin on Fridays during Easter. Don’t believe everything you are taught/told/read.

What is your view of atheist? Can they be ethical people?
an atheist cant have ethics/morals, because it would just be there opinion or a way of doing whatever they want and calling it that,
ethics/morals have to come from a higher unbiased source  :)

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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #607 on: January 11, 2013, 04:33:52 AM »
Not sure why this has to keep being repeated. Ethics and religion are two different things.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #608 on: January 11, 2013, 10:45:35 AM »

What is your view of atheist? Can they be ethical people?
They can be ethical. I just don't know why the ___ they would be ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #609 on: January 11, 2013, 12:07:37 PM »
They can be ethical. I just don't know why the ___ they would be ethical.
Just because you don't believe in something does not mean you are a bad or unethical person.
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Re: Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #610 on: January 11, 2013, 12:12:03 PM »
Just because you don't believe in something does not mean you are a bad or unethical person.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #611 on: January 11, 2013, 12:29:07 PM »
Ethics is defined as "a system of moral principles", everyone can have their own ethics, many of us base our morals on our religion, but one can also can have ethics without religion as we learn in the Talmud: "Had the Torah not been written, we would have learned modesty from the cat and the prohibition against stealing from the ant."

In essence the name of this whole thread "is it ethical?" shows that ethics is not a set system of morals, it is up to our moral calculators to decide if it is moral or not and therefore we ask others if they feel it is ethical.

It happens to be that many western morals are based on religion, but if one is an atheist he can still subscribe to the accepted morals of this time even if they are originally from a religion.
 



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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #612 on: January 11, 2013, 01:23:20 PM »
If you think morality is solely based on religion, I have a question:
Are all the atheists cannibals? Ever found one?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #613 on: January 12, 2013, 05:29:43 PM »
Just because you don't believe in something does not mean you are a bad or unethical person.
no one said "bad",BUT if you don't believe in a higher source and you can dictate your own ethics and mortals, then what and when is "bad"? ;)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #614 on: January 12, 2013, 05:39:35 PM »
If you think morality is solely based on religion, I have a question:
Are all the atheists? Ever found one?
Q#2: there are cannibals,from ......till now.
Q#1: no, but nether are any of the animals, so whats the point

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #615 on: January 12, 2013, 06:40:18 PM »
no one said "bad",BUT if you don't believe in a higher source and you can dictate your own ethics and mortals, then what and when is "bad"? ;)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #618 on: January 12, 2013, 07:10:54 PM »
call it bad.
"helpme" was the one that had the problem with someone calling them bad,so i clarified it for him/her,
so what are you saying?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #619 on: January 12, 2013, 07:22:39 PM »
"helpme" was the one that had the problem with someone calling them bad,so i clarified it for him/her,
so what are you saying?
I said not believing in something does not make a person "bad" or unethical. To clarify for you if a person is unethical it makes them a "bad" person by my standards/views.

Just because you don't believe in something does not mean you are a bad or unethical person.
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